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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: jeff@garzik.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, cl@linux-foundation.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, arjan@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/19] workqueue: implement concurrency managed workqueue
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:55:31 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0910011049540.6996@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AC4E55F.6070102@kernel.org>



On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, Tejun Heo wrote:
>
> Yeap, this one is pretty scary.  I tried pretty hard to at least make
> the diffs fall into relevant sections (ie. updates to certain part of
> logic shows up as diffs to the original part) but I agree this patch
> is a tad too big.  Maybe I can introduce gcwq first.  The big problem
> is the strong inter-dependency between the single global worker pool
> and the hotplug logic.  I tried to introduce the hotplug logic first
> but it basically required implementing different interim mechanism
> altogether.  One solution could be disabling or crippling cpu hotplug
> support for several commits so that the processing part and hotplug
> part can be introduced separately.  Would that be acceptable?

I would say that disabling CPU hotplug for a while is likely a good way to 
at least limit the damage, except for one thing - suspend and resume. 

That's one of the things that is hard to debug anyway, is tied to 
workqueues (with that whole freezing thing) _and_ uses CPU hotplug to 
actually get its work done. So if you effectively disable CPU hotplug for 
a part of the series, then that just means that bisection doesn't work 
over that part - and is probably one of the areas where it would be the 
most important that it works ;^/

So I dunno. I do like the series even as-is. It seems to have fairly solid 
reasoning behind it, and I absolutely hate the deadlocks we have now in 
workqueue handling and the insane things we do to work around them. At the 
same time, this code is something I get worried about - I can easily 
imaging subtle bugs that only happen under certain circumstances and with 
certain timings - and the last patch was the scariest of the lot.

So if the thing could be split up while limiting CPU hotplug only a bit 
(so that the case of suspend/resume would hopefully still be ok), that 
would be wonderful.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-01 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-01  8:08 [RFC PATCHSET] workqueue: implement concurrency managed workqueue Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 01/19] freezer: don't get over-anxious while waiting Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 18:36   ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-01 21:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-02 10:56       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-02 19:47       ` Oren Laadan
2009-10-02 21:04         ` Matt Helsley
2009-10-02 21:21           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-03  0:43             ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-03 19:36               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 02/19] scheduler: implement sched_class_equal() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 03/19] scheduler: implement workqueue scheduler class Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 16:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 18:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 19:00       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 19:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 19:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 20:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 19:15         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 19:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-02 12:23     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 04/19] scheduler: implement force_cpus_allowed_ptr() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 05/19] kthread: implement kthread_data() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 06/19] acpi: use queue_work_on() instead of binding workqueue worker to cpu0 Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 12:57   ` David Howells
2009-10-01 17:07     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 07/19] stop_machine: reimplement without using workqueue Tejun Heo
2009-10-06  9:36   ` Rusty Russell
2009-10-06 23:42     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 08/19] workqueue: misc/cosmetic updates Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 09/19] workqueue: merge feature parametesr into flags Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] workqueue: update cwq alignement and make one more flag bit available Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 13:05   ` David Howells
2009-10-01 16:15     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-10-01 16:20       ` David Howells
2009-10-01 16:30         ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 16:39     ` Alan Cox
2009-10-01 18:45     ` Ben Pfaff
2009-10-02 11:56       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] workqueue: define both bit position and mask for work flags Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] workqueue: separate out process_one_work() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] workqueue: temporarily disable workqueue tracing Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] workqueue: (TEMPORARY) kill singlethread variant Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 15/19] workqueue: reimplement workqueue flushing using color coded works Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 17:11     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:16       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 16/19] workqueue: introduce worker Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 17/19] workqueue: reimplement work flushing using linked works Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 18/19] workqueue: reimplement workqueue freeze using cwq->frozen_works queue Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 19/19] workqueue: implement concurrency managed workqueue Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 13:15   ` David Howells
2009-10-02 12:03     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 14:49   ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-01 15:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 16:34     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-04  8:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-01 17:12   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 17:22     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:55       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-10-02  0:42   ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-02 12:09     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-03  2:59       ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-02 14:28   ` Frédéric Weisbecker
2009-10-01  8:24 ` [RFC PATCHSET] " Jens Axboe
2009-10-01 16:36   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:24 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01 16:25   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  8:47   ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01  9:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  9:05       ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01  9:11   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  9:22     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 16:55     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:06       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 16:43   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 12:53 ` David Howells
2009-10-02 11:44   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-02 12:45     ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-02 15:38     ` David Howells
2009-10-03  5:07       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-04  8:41 ` Peter Zijlstra

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