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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	jeff@garzik.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, jens.axboe@oracle.com,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, cl@linux-foundation.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, arjan@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/19] scheduler: implement workqueue scheduler class
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0910011152080.6996@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091001184824.GA21357@elte.hu>



On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > So tying this to the scheduler class seems a bit odd. But maybe I'm 
> > missing something?
> 
> We could do what Avi suggested: not use scheduler classes at all for 
> this (that brings in other limitations like lack of p->policy freedom), 
> but use the existing preempt-notifications callbacks.

I don't think that works. I think the preempt notifiers are done too early 
and too late (ie they are done at the actual context switch), which what 
Tejun's code wants is to be called so that he can actually _do_ something 
about the task before the next task is selected.

But if the preempt-notification users are ok with being called earlier, 
then yes, I guess we could share the logic (and rename it). I do agree 
that what I'd like to see is more _like_ those preempt notifications, with 
a list of things to do before/after.

> They are per task - we would simply make preempt notifiers 
> unconditional, i.e. remove CONFIG_PREEMPT_NOTIFIERS and make it all 
> unconditional scheduler logic.

I don't mind that, but see above: I think the semantics are fundamentally 
different. One wants to be called exactly when the actual context switch 
happens, the other wants to be called before the choice of the next thread 
is even done (which in turn can mean that no context switch actually 
happens at all, because maybe you end up picking the same thread after 
all - possibly _due_ to the callback doing something)

But it's possible that I'm making a semantic difference out of something 
that nobody actually cares about.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-01 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-01  8:08 [RFC PATCHSET] workqueue: implement concurrency managed workqueue Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 01/19] freezer: don't get over-anxious while waiting Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 18:36   ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-01 21:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-02 10:56       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-02 19:47       ` Oren Laadan
2009-10-02 21:04         ` Matt Helsley
2009-10-02 21:21           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-03  0:43             ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-03 19:36               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 02/19] scheduler: implement sched_class_equal() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 03/19] scheduler: implement workqueue scheduler class Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 16:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 18:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 19:00       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 19:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 19:23           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 20:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 19:15         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 19:06       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-10-02 12:23     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 04/19] scheduler: implement force_cpus_allowed_ptr() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 05/19] kthread: implement kthread_data() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 06/19] acpi: use queue_work_on() instead of binding workqueue worker to cpu0 Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 12:57   ` David Howells
2009-10-01 17:07     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 07/19] stop_machine: reimplement without using workqueue Tejun Heo
2009-10-06  9:36   ` Rusty Russell
2009-10-06 23:42     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 08/19] workqueue: misc/cosmetic updates Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 09/19] workqueue: merge feature parametesr into flags Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] workqueue: update cwq alignement and make one more flag bit available Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 13:05   ` David Howells
2009-10-01 16:15     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-10-01 16:20       ` David Howells
2009-10-01 16:30         ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 16:39     ` Alan Cox
2009-10-01 18:45     ` Ben Pfaff
2009-10-02 11:56       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] workqueue: define both bit position and mask for work flags Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] workqueue: separate out process_one_work() Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] workqueue: temporarily disable workqueue tracing Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] workqueue: (TEMPORARY) kill singlethread variant Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 15/19] workqueue: reimplement workqueue flushing using color coded works Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 17:11     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:16       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 16/19] workqueue: introduce worker Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 17/19] workqueue: reimplement work flushing using linked works Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 18/19] workqueue: reimplement workqueue freeze using cwq->frozen_works queue Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:09 ` [PATCH 19/19] workqueue: implement concurrency managed workqueue Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 13:15   ` David Howells
2009-10-02 12:03     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 14:49   ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-01 15:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01 16:34     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-04  8:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-01 17:12   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-01 17:22     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-02  0:42   ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-02 12:09     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-03  2:59       ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-02 14:28   ` Frédéric Weisbecker
2009-10-01  8:24 ` [RFC PATCHSET] " Jens Axboe
2009-10-01 16:36   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:24 ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01 16:25   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01  8:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  8:47   ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01  9:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-01  9:05       ` Jens Axboe
2009-10-01  9:11   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  9:22     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 16:55     ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 17:06       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01 16:43   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-01 12:53 ` David Howells
2009-10-02 11:44   ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-02 12:45     ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-02 15:38     ` David Howells
2009-10-03  5:07       ` Tejun Heo
2009-10-04  8:41 ` Peter Zijlstra

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