From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dirk Hohndel <hohndel@infradead.org>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.32-rc3
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0910060808220.3432@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1254839931.24117.9.camel@dhohndel-mobl.amr.corp.intel.com>
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
>
> I respectfully disagree.
.. because you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
> With the proposed -rc0 there is EXACTLY ONE kernel that is called 2.6.31
> - the release kernel. And everything else is called something
> 2.6.xx-rcY.
No.
That's simply not _true_.
Think it through. Deeply.
In particular, think about all the developers who start out at known
stable points. And they are _supposed_ to start at release points. It
means that a lot of versions in the -rc window will NOT have that -rc0 in
them.
In fact, even more commonly (for people who don't rebase, which should be
the default), you'll have kernel versions in the merge window (and later)
that will have Makefiles that talk about the previous release.
If you can't get that FUNDAMENTAL FACT, then I don't know what to say.
> So if you see something that identifies itself as -rc0, you know it's
> from during the merge window. If you see something that calls itself
> 2.6.xx then you know it's a release kernel.
No. No. And NO.
Your kind of magical thinking leads to _problems_. It's literally been a
problem that people stop bisecting, because they notice that they start
testing kernels that have a version number before the release they already
tested as good. Exactly because of your kind of linear thinking.
We need _less_ linear thinking, not more. And you need to start thinking
about other kernels than just my release tree.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-06 15:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-05 0:44 Linux 2.6.32-rc3 Linus Torvalds
2009-10-05 18:55 ` James Cloos
2009-10-06 1:57 ` Len Brown
2009-10-06 2:51 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-06 14:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 14:38 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-06 15:13 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-10-06 15:34 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-06 15:43 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <4ACBB7D7.10207@urpla.net>
2009-10-06 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 16:36 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-07 1:09 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-10-07 5:56 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 14:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 15:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 15:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 15:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 16:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 16:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 16:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 16:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 18:12 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-06 18:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 21:19 ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-06 17:15 ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-06 18:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 17:22 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 18:29 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-07 0:51 ` Florian Mickler
2009-10-06 17:35 ` [patch] kbuild: Improve version string logic Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 18:37 ` Johannes Berg
2009-10-06 18:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 18:55 ` Johannes Berg
2009-10-06 19:03 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-06 19:45 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 19:48 ` Johannes Berg
2009-10-06 20:25 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-07 2:43 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-12 19:57 ` [PATCH, v2] " Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 22:04 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-13 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-13 17:51 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-13 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 23:59 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-14 6:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-14 7:24 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-14 7:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-14 7:42 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-14 23:43 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-15 7:37 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-15 14:13 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-15 20:38 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-15 21:01 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-15 9:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-15 14:42 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-15 20:45 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-15 8:01 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-15 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-14 21:55 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-13 2:00 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-13 7:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-13 7:59 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-07 17:18 ` [PATCH, v2] kbuild: Improve version string logic - two for the price of one - No thanks Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-07 19:45 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-08 5:52 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 6:18 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-08 6:34 ` Paul Mundt
2010-06-08 6:39 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 7:16 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 7:21 ` Paul Mundt
2010-06-08 7:21 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 7:32 ` Paul Mundt
2010-06-08 7:52 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 9:17 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-08 6:37 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 8:31 ` kbuild: Fix the breakage caused by "improve version string logic" Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 9:13 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-08 10:14 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-08 10:19 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-09 6:55 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 7:54 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-06-09 8:18 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-06 17:40 ` Linux 2.6.32-rc3 Len Brown
2009-10-06 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 22:33 ` Len Brown
2009-10-06 17:45 ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-06 19:22 ` Joel Becker
[not found] ` <4ACB77ED.6060104@grm.uci.cu>
2009-10-06 18:00 ` Herlin R. Matos Lastres
2009-10-15 15:51 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 15:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 17:09 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 17:34 ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-06 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 18:56 ` david
2009-10-06 18:23 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 19:23 ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-06 17:44 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-06 18:14 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-06 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 16:40 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-06 19:37 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-07 21:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-10-08 15:20 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-06 15:29 ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-06 17:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-06 17:20 ` Stefan Richter
2009-10-06 21:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-06 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 1:22 ` Dave Airlie
2009-10-07 2:31 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-07 2:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-10 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-10 12:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2009-10-07 3:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 3:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-07 13:52 ` Theodore Tso
2009-10-07 14:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-07 17:44 ` david
2009-10-07 18:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-10-07 4:02 ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-07 10:41 ` 2.6.32-rc3: floating-point build failure (undefined reference to `__udivdi3' in menu governor) Andreas Mohr
2009-10-07 14:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-07 17:34 ` Andreas Mohr
2009-10-07 17:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-07 17:45 ` Kyle McMartin
2009-10-09 16:01 ` Andreas Mohr
2009-10-09 16:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-09 17:08 ` Kyle McMartin
2009-10-09 17:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
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