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From: Ridong Chen <ridong.chen@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ridong Chen <chenridong@xiaomi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm/vmscan: honour node reclaim limits per type
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2026 17:07:32 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f45848da-9569-453f-b0c0-8aa984e1976d@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aogMyu5R_DZRqp2J@tiehlicka>



On 8/21/2026 4:31 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 21-08-26 16:17:37, Ridong Chen wrote:
>> From: Ridong Chen <chenridong@xiaomi.com>
>>
>> min_unmapped_pages and min_slab_pages are documented as per-type limits,
>> but node reclaim treats them as one combined gate: once either is
>> exceeded, shrink_node() reclaims slab, file and anon together and pushes
>> the other type below its limit. Per-node proactive reclaim reuses the
>> same gate and fares worse -- with page cache and slab both under their
>> limits it reclaims nothing and returns -EAGAIN on an anon-heavy node [1].
>>
>> This series gates each type separately via two scan_control flags
>> (skip_slab_reclaim, skip_file_reclaim) set only on the node reclaim path,
>> drops the combined gate, and extends node_reclaim()'s early bail to check
>> anon. The flags default to zero, so kswapd, direct, memcg and drop_caches
>> are unaffected.
> 
> You are explaining what but missing the most important part _Why_ do we
> need to have this addressed? Is this just addressing Sashiko review
> refernced below? Is there any real usecase where the current behavior
> matters?
> 

Hi Michal,

Thank you for your reply. I should have made the background much clearer.

Yes, the original issue comes from Sashiko's review. Sashiko found that 
proactive reclaim fails to reclaim memory when the node's unmapped file or slab 
pages are below the minimum thresholds, even though there is plenty of anonymous 
memory available.

After further discussion, we realized that min_unmapped_pages and min_slab_pages 
may not be used correctly. Apart from the issue above, there are other problems 
as mentioned by Barry in [2]:

Even when page cache is below min_unmapped_pages, it may still be reclaimed as 
long as slab is sufficient. Similarly, slab may still be reclaimed even when it 
is below min_slab_pages.

node_reclaim() cannot reclaim anonymous pages if both page cache and slab are 
below their respective thresholds, even when there is plenty of anonymous memory 
available.

To address these issues, I am sending this series to facilitate discussion. Your 
feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[2] 
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAGsJ_4xCi1TzV0sg=8ZFhfAq7v=k=Q6a10DNDouYOrjcJL-5=A@mail.gmail.com/

>> Tested on QEMU (x86_64, 2 NUMA nodes), A/B kernels differing only in this
>> series.
>>
>> Proactive reclaim (echo to node/reclaim) on an anon-heavy node, file and
>> slab under their limits:
>>
>>    metric              before   after
>>    -----------------   ------   -----------
>>    pages reclaimed     0 MiB    254 MiB anon
>>    return value        -EAGAIN  0
>>
>> Node reclaim (zone_reclaim_mode) with one type under its limit -- the type
>> under its limit must be left alone:
>>
>>    type under limit    before          after
>>    -----------------   -------------   --------
>>    slab                645 scans       0 scans
>>    page cache          83 MiB scanned  0 MiB
>>
>> [1] https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/20260723045718.2052070-1-ridong.chen@linux.dev
>>
>> Ridong Chen (4):
>>    mm/vmscan: only reclaim slab in node reclaim when over min_slab_pages
>>    mm/vmscan: only reclaim file pages in node reclaim when over
>>      min_unmapped_pages
>>    mm/vmscan: drop the combined limit gate in __node_reclaim()
>>    mm/vmscan: do not skip node reclaim when only anon is reclaimable
>>
>>   mm/vmscan.c | 89 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------
>>   1 file changed, 67 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
>>
>> -- 
>> 2.34.1
> 

-- 
Best regards
Ridong


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-21  9:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-21  8:17 [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm/vmscan: honour node reclaim limits per type Ridong Chen
2026-08-21  8:17 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] mm/vmscan: only reclaim slab in node reclaim when over min_slab_pages Ridong Chen
2026-08-21  8:17 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] mm/vmscan: only reclaim file pages in node reclaim when over min_unmapped_pages Ridong Chen
2026-08-21  8:17 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] mm/vmscan: drop the combined limit gate in __node_reclaim() Ridong Chen
2026-08-21 12:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-08-21  8:17 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] mm/vmscan: do not skip node reclaim when only anon is reclaimable Ridong Chen
2026-08-21  8:31 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm/vmscan: honour node reclaim limits per type Michal Hocko
2026-08-21  8:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-21  9:21     ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-21 11:16       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-21 11:26         ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-21  9:07   ` Ridong Chen [this message]
2026-08-21  9:24     ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-21 10:52       ` Ridong Chen
2026-08-21 11:02         ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-21 11:10           ` Ridong Chen
2026-08-21 11:20             ` Michal Hocko
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2026-08-21  8:16 Ridong Chen

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