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From: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] workqueue: Unbind workers before sending them to exit()
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 11:12:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xhsmh1qu4dy81.mognet@vschneid.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YuLH/l9YZYG6FRSW@slm.duckdns.org>

On 28/07/22 07:31, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 06:24:17PM +0100, Valentin Schneider wrote:
>> > I don't understand why this would need MEM_RECLAIM when it isn't sitting in
>> > the memory reclaim path. Nothing in mm side can wait on this.
>>
>> Vaguely reading the doc I thought that'd be for anything that would
>> directly or indirectly help with reclaiming memory (not explicitly sitting
>> in some *mm reclaim* path), and I assumed freeing up a worker would count as
>> that - but that's the understanding of someone who doesn't know much about
>> all that :-)
>
> Oh, it's just needed for things that mm might end up waiting on. Here,
> there's no way for mm to know about or trigger this at all, so it doesn't
> need the flag.
>

Got it, thanks!

>> > There actually are spurious wakeups. We can't depend on there being no
>> > wakeups than ours.
>>
>> Myes, I suppose if a to-be-destroyed kworker spuriously wakes before having
>> been unbound then there's not much point in having the unbinding (harm has
>> been done and the kworker can do_exit(), though arguably we could reduce
>> the harm and still move it away), but let me see what I can do here.
>
> Yeah, it kinda sucks but is a kernel-wide thing and pretty rare, so for the
> most part, we can pretend that they don't exist but under specific
> conditions, there can be asynchronous wakeups coming from whereever, so we
> gotta be crash proof against those.
>

That's sensible, I'll look into Lai's suggestion and see if I can come up
with something not-too-horrible.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-29 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-27 11:53 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] workqueue: destroy_worker() vs isolated CPUs Valentin Schneider
2022-07-27 11:53 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] workqueue: Unbind workers before sending them to exit() Valentin Schneider
2022-07-27 17:13   ` Lai Jiangshan
2022-07-28 10:54     ` Valentin Schneider
2022-07-28 16:35       ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-28 17:24         ` Valentin Schneider
2022-07-28 17:31           ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-29 10:12             ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2022-07-27 11:53 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] DEBUG: workqueue: kworker spawner Valentin Schneider

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