* Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update [not found] <0BE7A0BD7DFE4537AA0C03E333326E52@NOTENIKO> @ 2011-07-24 22:47 ` Jeff Kirsher 2011-07-24 23:21 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 2011-08-20 20:35 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jeff Kirsher @ 2011-07-24 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras Cc: kristoffer@gaisler.com, Brandeburg, Jesse, Allan, Bruce W, Ronciak, John, support, netdev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2072 bytes --] On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:28 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras wrote: > Please, can you update the e1000e driver of the kernel to v1.4.4? > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3299&DwnldID=15817&ProductFamily=Componentes+Ethernet&ProductLine=Controladores+Ethernet&ProductProduct=Controlador+Intel%C2%AE+82579+Gigabit+Ethernet&DownloadType=Controladoresspa > > This version have an important bug fixed: > * 82579: Fix for Tx Hang on FTS ME Platform > > And we have this problem in all of our servers with this NIC and ME > on. > > Debug: > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Detected Hardware > Unit Hang: > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDH <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDT <16> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_use <16> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_clean <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] buffer_info[next_to_clean]: > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] time_stamp <10282156f> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] jiffies <102821aed> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch.status <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] MAC Status <80143> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Status <796d> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY 1000BASE-T Status <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Extended Status <3000> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PCI Status <10> > Jul 24 14:23:28 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Reset adapter > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full > Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: > disabling TSO > [removed ixgbe/igb Intel maintainers, and Linus from the email thread] Added a more appropriate mailing list (netdev) We currently have the kernel patches in review and testing to update the e1000e driver to v1.4.4. I should be able to push some, if not all of the changes upstream later this week. [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update 2011-07-24 22:47 ` Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update Jeff Kirsher @ 2011-07-24 23:21 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 2011-08-20 20:35 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras @ 2011-07-24 23:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jeffrey.t.kirsher Cc: kristoffer, Brandeburg, Jesse, Allan, Bruce W, Ronciak, John, netdev really really thanks Jeff! we are fighting to this problem for a long time with the intel executive series motherboards with amt that are failing for this bug in the driver.. Regards; ................................................. Nicolás Sigal CEO :: LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras Mendoza 2917 :: C1428DKY Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires :: Argentina Tel/Fax: 0810 55 LOCALHOST :: (011) 4784.6993 http://www.localhost.net.ar/ nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; <support@localhost.net.ar>; "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update 2011-07-24 22:47 ` Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update Jeff Kirsher 2011-07-24 23:21 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras @ 2011-08-20 20:35 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 2011-08-20 21:51 ` Jeff Kirsher 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras @ 2011-08-20 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jeffrey.t.kirsher Cc: kristoffer, Brandeburg, Jesse, Allan, Bruce W, Ronciak, John, netdev Please Jeff, we need the update as soon as possible, we still having crashes of eth because the driver.. Best regards; ................................................. Nicolás Sigal CEO :: LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras Mendoza 2917 :: C1428DKY Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires :: Argentina Tel/Fax: 0810 55 LOCALHOST :: (011) 4784.6993 http://www.localhost.net.ar/ nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; <support@localhost.net.ar>; "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:28 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras wrote: > Please, can you update the e1000e driver of the kernel to v1.4.4? > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3299&DwnldID=15817&ProductFamily=Componentes+Ethernet&ProductLine=Controladores+Ethernet&ProductProduct=Controlador+Intel%C2%AE+82579+Gigabit+Ethernet&DownloadType=Controladoresspa > > This version have an important bug fixed: > * 82579: Fix for Tx Hang on FTS ME Platform > > And we have this problem in all of our servers with this NIC and ME > on. > > Debug: > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Detected Hardware > Unit Hang: > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDH <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDT <16> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_use <16> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_clean <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] buffer_info[next_to_clean]: > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] time_stamp <10282156f> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] jiffies <102821aed> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch.status <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] MAC Status <80143> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Status <796d> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY 1000BASE-T Status <0> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Extended Status <3000> > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PCI Status <10> > Jul 24 14:23:28 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Reset adapter > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full > Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: > disabling TSO > [removed ixgbe/igb Intel maintainers, and Linus from the email thread] Added a more appropriate mailing list (netdev) We currently have the kernel patches in review and testing to update the e1000e driver to v1.4.4. I should be able to push some, if not all of the changes upstream later this week. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update 2011-08-20 20:35 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras @ 2011-08-20 21:51 ` Jeff Kirsher 2011-08-20 21:57 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jeff Kirsher @ 2011-08-20 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras Cc: kristoffer@gaisler.com, Brandeburg, Jesse, Allan, Bruce W, Ronciak, John, netdev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3014 bytes --] On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:35 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras wrote: > Please Jeff, we need the update as soon as possible, we still having crashes > of eth because the driver.. > > Best regards; > The patches have been pushed and accepted. Are you using Linus's latest 3.1 tree? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> > To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" > <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> > Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" > <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; > "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; <support@localhost.net.ar>; > "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update > > On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:28 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones > Innovadoras wrote: > > Please, can you update the e1000e driver of the kernel to v1.4.4? > > > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3299&DwnldID=15817&ProductFamily=Componentes+Ethernet&ProductLine=Controladores+Ethernet&ProductProduct=Controlador+Intel%C2%AE+82579+Gigabit+Ethernet&DownloadType=Controladoresspa > > > > This version have an important bug fixed: > > * 82579: Fix for Tx Hang on FTS ME Platform > > > > And we have this problem in all of our servers with this NIC and ME > > on. > > > > Debug: > > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Detected Hardware > > Unit Hang: > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDH <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDT <16> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_use <16> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_clean <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] buffer_info[next_to_clean]: > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] time_stamp <10282156f> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] jiffies <102821aed> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch.status <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] MAC Status <80143> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Status <796d> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY 1000BASE-T Status <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Extended Status <3000> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PCI Status <10> > > Jul 24 14:23:28 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Reset adapter > > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full > > Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx > > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: > > disabling TSO > > > > > [removed ixgbe/igb Intel maintainers, and Linus from the email thread] > Added a more appropriate mailing list (netdev) > > We currently have the kernel patches in review and testing to update the > e1000e driver to v1.4.4. I should be able to push some, if not all of > the changes upstream later this week. > [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update 2011-08-20 21:51 ` Jeff Kirsher @ 2011-08-20 21:57 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras 2011-08-20 22:04 ` Jeff Kirsher 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras @ 2011-08-20 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jeffrey.t.kirsher Cc: kristoffer, Brandeburg, Jesse, Allan, Bruce W, Ronciak, John, netdev Jeff, we always use the latest stable release, in this case, v3.0.3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:35 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras wrote: > Please Jeff, we need the update as soon as possible, we still having > crashes > of eth because the driver.. > > Best regards; > The patches have been pushed and accepted. Are you using Linus's latest 3.1 tree? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> > To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" > <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> > Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" > <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; > "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; <support@localhost.net.ar>; > "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update > > On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:28 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones > Innovadoras wrote: > > Please, can you update the e1000e driver of the kernel to v1.4.4? > > > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3299&DwnldID=15817&ProductFamily=Componentes+Ethernet&ProductLine=Controladores+Ethernet&ProductProduct=Controlador+Intel%C2%AE+82579+Gigabit+Ethernet&DownloadType=Controladoresspa > > > > This version have an important bug fixed: > > * 82579: Fix for Tx Hang on FTS ME Platform > > > > And we have this problem in all of our servers with this NIC and ME > > on. > > > > Debug: > > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Detected Hardware > > Unit Hang: > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDH <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDT <16> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_use <16> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_clean <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] buffer_info[next_to_clean]: > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] time_stamp <10282156f> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] jiffies <102821aed> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch.status <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] MAC Status <80143> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Status <796d> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY 1000BASE-T Status <0> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Extended Status <3000> > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PCI Status <10> > > Jul 24 14:23:28 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Reset adapter > > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full > > Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx > > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: > > disabling TSO > > > > > [removed ixgbe/igb Intel maintainers, and Linus from the email thread] > Added a more appropriate mailing list (netdev) > > We currently have the kernel patches in review and testing to update the > e1000e driver to v1.4.4. I should be able to push some, if not all of > the changes upstream later this week. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update 2011-08-20 21:57 ` Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras @ 2011-08-20 22:04 ` Jeff Kirsher 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jeff Kirsher @ 2011-08-20 22:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras Cc: kristoffer@gaisler.com, Brandeburg, Jesse, Allan, Bruce W, Ronciak, John, netdev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4031 bytes --] On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:57 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras wrote: > Jeff, we always use the latest stable release, in this case, v3.0.3 The fixes (and driver bump) went into Linus's 3.1 tree, only one fix was applied to the "stable" releases. I would try Linus's 3.1 tree to verify that the issue you have been seeing is fixed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> > To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" > <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> > Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" > <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; > "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update > > On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:35 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones > Innovadoras wrote: > > Please Jeff, we need the update as soon as possible, we still having > > crashes > > of eth because the driver.. > > > > Best regards; > > > > The patches have been pushed and accepted. Are you using Linus's latest > 3.1 tree? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Kirsher" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com> > > To: "Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones Innovadoras" > > <nicolas.sigal@localhost.net.ar> > > Cc: <kristoffer@gaisler.com>; "Brandeburg, Jesse" > > <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>; "Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>; > > "Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>; <support@localhost.net.ar>; > > "netdev" <netdev@vger.kernel.org> > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Linux Kernel | Intel Driver Bug - please update > > > > On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:28 -0700, Nicolás Sigal | LocalHost Soluciones > > Innovadoras wrote: > > > Please, can you update the e1000e driver of the kernel to v1.4.4? > > > > > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3299&DwnldID=15817&ProductFamily=Componentes+Ethernet&ProductLine=Controladores+Ethernet&ProductProduct=Controlador+Intel%C2%AE+82579+Gigabit+Ethernet&DownloadType=Controladoresspa > > > > > > This version have an important bug fixed: > > > * 82579: Fix for Tx Hang on FTS ME Platform > > > > > > And we have this problem in all of our servers with this NIC and ME > > > on. > > > > > > Debug: > > > > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Detected Hardware > > > Unit Hang: > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDH <0> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] TDT <16> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_use <16> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_clean <0> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] buffer_info[next_to_clean]: > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] time_stamp <10282156f> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch <0> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] jiffies <102821aed> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] next_to_watch.status <0> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] MAC Status <80143> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Status <796d> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY 1000BASE-T Status <0> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PHY Extended Status <3000> > > > Jul 24 14:23:27 [kernel] PCI Status <10> > > > Jul 24 14:23:28 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Reset adapter > > > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full > > > Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx > > > Jul 24 14:23:30 [kernel] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: > > > disabling TSO > > > > > > > > > [removed ixgbe/igb Intel maintainers, and Linus from the email thread] > > Added a more appropriate mailing list (netdev) > > > > We currently have the kernel patches in review and testing to update the > > e1000e driver to v1.4.4. I should be able to push some, if not all of > > the changes upstream later this week. > > > > > [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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