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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rick.jones2@hp.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, therbert@google.com,
	ncardwell@google.com, maze@google.com, ycheng@google.com,
	ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi
Subject: RE: [PATCH 2/2 net-next] tcp: sk_add_backlog() is too agressive for TCP
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:53:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1335257592.5205.131.camel@edumazet-glaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AE90C24D6B3A694183C094C60CF0A2F6026B6EEF@saturn3.aculab.com>

On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 09:44 +0100, David Laight wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 16:01 -0400, David Miller wrote:
> > 
> > > Hmmm... why don't we just acknowledge reality and special case ACKs?
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes why not.
> > 
> > 
> > > If a TCP packet is dataless we should just let it go 
> > > through no matter what and with no limits.
> > >  It is by definition transient and will not
> > > get queued up into the socket past this backlog stage.
> > > 
> > 
> > Even being transient we need a limit. Without copybreak, an 
> > ACK can cost 2048+256 bytes.
> > 
> > In my 10Gbit tests (standard netperf using 16K buffers), I've seen
> > backlogs of 300 ACK packets...
> 
> What about forcing a copybreak for acks when above the rx buffer size?
> That way you avoid the cost of the copy in teh normal case when
> the data will be freed, but avoid the memory overhead when a lot
> of acks (or rx data) is queued.

Thats noise, as the minimal truesize of an ACK packet is 512 + 256 on
x86_64

The fact that ixgbe provides 1024 + 256 could be fixed in the driver,
its a 4 lines change actually. Then you already have a minimal skb.

      reply	other threads:[~2012-04-24  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-23  9:38 [PATCH 2/2 net-next] tcp: sk_add_backlog() is too agressive for TCP Eric Dumazet
2012-04-23 17:14 ` Rick Jones
2012-04-23 17:23   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-23 20:01     ` David Miller
2012-04-23 20:37       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-23 20:57         ` Rick Jones
2012-04-23 21:30           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-23 21:51             ` Rick Jones
2012-04-23 21:56               ` Rick Jones
2012-04-23 22:05               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-23 22:16                 ` Rick Jones
2012-04-24 15:25                   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-04-23 21:01         ` David Miller
2012-04-23 21:38           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-24  2:20         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-24  2:27           ` David Miller
2012-04-24  8:01           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-24  8:10             ` David Miller
2012-04-24  8:21               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-24  8:25                 ` David Miller
2012-04-24  8:40                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-24  8:48                     ` David Miller
2012-04-24 10:32                       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2012-04-24  8:56                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26  8:10                       ` [RFC] allow skb->head to point/alias to first skb frag Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26  8:36                         ` David Miller
2012-04-26  9:10                           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26  9:18                             ` David Miller
2012-04-26  9:22                               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26 10:09                                 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-26 12:32                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26 13:50                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26 20:12                                       ` David Miller
2012-04-26 20:18                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-24  8:49             ` [PATCH 2/2 net-next] tcp: sk_add_backlog() is too agressive for TCP Eric Dumazet
2012-04-24  8:44         ` David Laight
2012-04-24  8:53           ` Eric Dumazet [this message]

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