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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	pmoore@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, mvadkert@redhat.com,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:33:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1365467636.3887.67.camel@edumazet-glaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51635573.7030706@schaufler-ca.com>

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 16:40 -0700, Casey Schaufler wrote:

> OK, let's do the math.
> 
> First off, it's 4 bytes, not 8. It replaces the secmark.
> Your increased memory usage is going to be
> 
> 	4 bytes/packet *  M packets/second * N seconds
> 
> Where M is the rate at which you're processing packets and
> N is the length of time it takes to process a packet.
> 
> Let's pretend we have an embedded system that does nothing but send
> 128 byte packets on a 10Gb port. That's 10M packets/second. If it
> takes a full second to process a packet the overhead is 40MB for that
> second. I have it on good authority that packets can be processed
> in considerably less time than that. The real number is more like
> 0.05 seconds. That means your actual overhead is more like 1MB.
> 
> These are dumbed down calculations. I am not a memory usage expert.
> I am convinced that "real" calculations are going to get similar
> numbers. I am, of course, willing to be swayed by evidence that I
> am wrong.
> 
> Compare that to the overhead associated with using CIPSO on packets
> that never leave the box.

Maths are not that simple, and its not about size of sk_buff, since the
number of in-flight skb should be quite small.

Its the time to init this memory for _every_ packet.

sizeof(sk_buff) is 0xf8, very close to cross the 256 bytes limit.

Add a single _byte_ and it becomes a matter of adding a _cache_ line,
and thats 25 % cost, assuming 64bytes cache lines.

So instead of processing 10M packets per second, we would process 9M
packets per second, or maybe less.

Yes, 256 bytes per sk_buff, this is the current insane situation.
(Not counting the struct skb_shared_info, adding at least one additional
cache line)

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-09  0:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-08 15:45 [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet Paul Moore
2013-04-08 16:14 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 17:22   ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 17:36     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 17:40       ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 17:47         ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:01           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:12           ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 18:21             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:26               ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 18:34                 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:30               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 20:37                 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 20:44                   ` David Miller
2013-04-08 20:53                     ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 20:55                   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 21:09                     ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:14                       ` David Miller
2013-04-08 21:17                       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09  3:58                       ` [PATCH] selinux: add a skb_owned_by() hook Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09  4:29                         ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09  4:41                           ` David Miller
2013-04-09  5:14                             ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 11:39                             ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09  6:24                           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 11:45                           ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09  7:38                         ` James Morris
2013-04-09 12:06                         ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 17:23                         ` David Miller
2013-04-08 18:32             ` [PATCH] tcp: assign the sock correctly to an outgoing SYNACK packet Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:10               ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:15                 ` David Miller
2013-04-08 21:24                   ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:33                     ` David Miller
2013-04-08 22:01                       ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 22:08                         ` David Miller
2013-04-08 23:40                       ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09  0:33                         ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2013-04-09  0:59                           ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09  1:09                             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09  1:24                               ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 13:19                                 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 13:33                                   ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:00                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 14:19                                     ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 14:31                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 14:52                                         ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:05                                           ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:07                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 15:17                                             ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 15:32                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-09 15:57                                                 ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 16:11                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2013-04-09 16:56                                                 ` David Miller
2013-04-09 17:00                                                   ` Paul Moore
2013-04-09 17:09                                                     ` David Miller
2013-04-09 17:10                                                       ` David Miller
2013-04-09 14:05                                   ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-09 14:10                                     ` Paul Moore
2013-04-08 21:34                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-04-08 19:25     ` David Miller
2013-04-08 16:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-04-08 18:03 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-04-08 18:12   ` Paul Moore

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