From: Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: andi@firstfloor.org, therbert@google.com, shemminger@vyatta.com,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, ycheng@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: Socket option to set congestion window
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 01:15:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100526231512.GD2684@nuttenaction> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100526.151014.70204145.davem@davemloft.net>
* David Miller | 2010-05-26 15:10:14 [-0700]:
>From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
>Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:27:45 +0200
>
>> As I understand the idea was that the application knows
>> what flows belong to a single peer and wants to have
>> a single cwnd for all of those. Perhaps there would
>> be a way to generalize that to tell it to the kernel.
>>
>> e.g. have a "peer id" that is known by applications
>> and the kernel could manage cwnds shared between connections
>> associated with the same peer id?
>>
>> Just an idea, I admit I haven't thought very deeply
>> about this. Feel free to poke holes into it.
>
>Yes, a CWND "domain" that can include multiple sockets is
>something that might gain some traction.
>
>The "domain" could just simply be the tuple {process,peer-IP}
This discussion - as once a month - is about fairness. But if we define a
domain as a tuple of {process,peer-IP} the fairness is applied only for the
last link before "peer-IP".
But fairness applies to *all* links in between! For example: consider a
dumpbell scenario:
+------+ +------+
| | | |
| H1 | | H3 |
| | | |
+------+ +------+
10MB \ +------+ +------+ / 10MB
\ | | 1MB/s | | /
> | R1 |------------| R2 |<
/ | | | | \
10MB / +------+ +------+ \ 10MB
+------+ +------+
| | | |
| H2 | | H4 |
| | | |
+------+ +------+
How can a domain defined as {process,peer-IP} fair to the 1MB bottleneck link?
It is not fair! And it is also not fair to open n simultaneous streams and so
on. This problem is discussed in several RFC's.
.02
Best regards, Hagen
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-26 23:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-26 5:01 [PATCH] tcp: Socket option to set congestion window Tom Herbert
2010-05-26 5:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-05-26 5:52 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 7:06 ` Tom Herbert
2010-05-26 7:33 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 17:33 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-26 17:41 ` Denys Fedorysychenko
2010-05-26 21:08 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 21:27 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-26 22:10 ` David Miller
2010-05-26 22:29 ` Rick Jones
2010-05-27 7:57 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-26 23:15 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer [this message]
2010-05-27 3:04 ` David Miller
2010-05-27 7:08 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 7:28 ` David Miller
2010-05-27 7:46 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 16:14 ` Tom Herbert
2010-05-27 18:56 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-27 19:19 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2010-05-27 8:00 ` Andi Kleen
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