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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"tgraf@suug.ch" <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	"pablo@netfilter.org" <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	"johunt@akamai.com" <johunt@akamai.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 2/2] rhashtable: remove indirection for grow/shrink decision functions
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 07:53:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150226075354.GA30061@acer.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQKV8JSqhTPYBGDJt4KqTesEvtCMnhupiPyZJjvk=tmOwg@mail.gmail.com>

On 25.02, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net> wrote:
> > On 25.02, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> >> But if any workload had to grow the table to 2^20 slots, we had to
> >> consume GB of memory anyway to hold sockets and everything.
> >>
> >> Trying to shrink is simply not worth it, unless you expect your host
> >> never reboots and you desperately need back these 8 MBytes of memory.
> >
> > That may be true in the TCP case, but for not for nftables. We might
> > have many sets and, especially when used to represent more complicated
> > classification algorithms, their size might change by a lot.
> 
> sounds like grow/shrink decision cannot be generalized within
> rhashtable, but two callbacks are about to be removed and the
> are costly. So would it make sense to disable auto-expand/shrink
> completely and let nft/tcp call expand/shrink when needed?

My understanding was that Eric was arguing against shrinking in general.
But assuming we have it, what's the downside of also performing
shrinking for TCP?

> nft can potentially do smarter batching this way.
> If it sees a lot of entries are about to be inserted, it can call
> expand directly to quickly grow sparsely populated table
> into large one, and then insert all the entries.
> That will mitigate 'slow rcu' issue as well.

I like that idea.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-26  7:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-25 22:09 [PATCH net 2/2] rhashtable: remove indirection for grow/shrink decision functions Alexei Starovoitov
2015-02-26  7:53 ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2015-02-26  8:54   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-26 14:50   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-02-26 14:54     ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-26 15:20     ` [PATCH net] rhashtable: use cond_resched() Eric Dumazet
2015-02-26 15:36       ` David Laight
2015-02-26 15:46         ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-26 16:03           ` David Laight
2015-02-26 15:50       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-27 22:55       ` David Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-02-25 15:31 [PATCH net 0/2] rhashtable updates Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-25 15:31 ` [PATCH net 2/2] rhashtable: remove indirection for grow/shrink decision functions Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-25 15:41   ` David Laight
2015-02-25 15:46     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-25 15:51       ` David Laight
2015-02-25 16:14         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-25 17:41           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-02-25 17:49             ` David Laight
2015-02-25 18:15               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-02-25 18:56             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-02-25 19:52               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-02-25 20:10                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-26 10:02             ` tgraf
2015-02-27 22:30               ` David Miller
2015-02-28  0:48                 ` Patrick McHardy
2015-02-28  1:35                   ` David Miller
2015-02-26 14:18             ` David Laight
2015-03-11  6:42             ` Herbert Xu
2015-03-12 16:57               ` Thomas Graf
2015-03-13  7:06                 ` Herbert Xu
2015-02-25 17:23   ` Thomas Graf

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