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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>, Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Correct usage of dev_base_lock in 2020
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 22:36:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201130203640.3vspyoswd5r5n3es@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89i+H9dVgVE0NbucHizZX2une+bjscjcCT+ZvVNj5YFHYpg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 09:29:15PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:26 PM Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:21:29PM -0800, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > > if device is in a private list (in bond device), the way to handle
> > > this is to use dev_hold() to keep a ref count.
> >
> > Correct, dev_hold is a tool that can also be used. But it is a tool that
> > does not solve the general problem - only particular ones. See the other
> > interesting callers of dev_get_stats in parisc, appldata, net_failover.
> > We can't ignore that RTNL is used for write-side locking forever.
>
> dev_base_lock is used to protect the list of devices (eg for /proc/net/devices),
> so this will need to be replaced by something. dev_hold() won't
> protect the 'list' from changing under us.

Yes, so as I was saying. I was thinking that I could add another locking
mechanism, such as struct net::netdev_lists_mutex or something like that.
A mutex does not really have a read-side and a write-side, but logically
speaking, this one would. So as long as I take this mutex from all places
that also take the write-side of dev_base_lock, I should get equivalent
semantics on the read side as if I were to take the RTNL mutex. I don't
even need to convert all instances of RTNL-holding, that could be spread
out over a longer period of time. It's just that I can hold this new
netdev_lists_mutex in new code that calls for_each_netdev and friends,
and doesn't otherwise need the RTNL.

Again, the reason why I opened this thread was that I wanted to get rid
of dev_base_lock first, before I introduced the struct net::netdev_lists_mutex.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-30 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20201129182435.jgqfjbekqmmtaief@skbuf>
2020-11-29 20:58 ` Correct usage of dev_base_lock in 2020 Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30  5:12   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-30 10:41     ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 18:14       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-30 18:30         ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 18:48         ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 19:00           ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 19:03             ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 19:22               ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 19:32                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 21:41                   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-11-30 19:46                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 20:18                   ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 20:21                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-30 20:26                     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 20:29                       ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 20:36                         ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2020-11-30 20:43                           ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 20:50                             ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 21:00                               ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 21:11                                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 21:46                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 21:53                                     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-30 22:20                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2020-11-30 22:41                                         ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-01 14:42           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-12-01 18:58             ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-10  4:32           ` [PATCH] net: bonding: retrieve device statistics under RTNL, not RCU kernel test robot

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