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From: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>
To: <kerneljasonxing@gmail.com>
Cc: <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>, <davem@davemloft.net>, <dima@arista.com>,
	<dsahern@kernel.org>, <edumazet@google.com>,
	<kernelxing@tencent.com>, <kuba@kernel.org>,
	<ncardwell@google.com>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<pabeni@redhat.com>, <kuniyu@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] tcp: do not allow to connect with the four-tuple symmetry socket
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:48:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240818184849.56807-1-kuniyu@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL+tcoDDXT4wBQK0akpg4FR+COfZ7dztz5GcWp6ah68nbvwzTg@mail.gmail.com>

From: Jason Xing <kerneljasonxing@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 21:50:51 +0800
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 1:16 PM Jason Xing <kerneljasonxing@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 12:25 PM Jason Xing <kerneljasonxing@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Jason Xing <kernelxing@tencent.com>
> > >
> > > Four-tuple symmetry here means the socket has the same remote/local
> > > port and ipaddr, like this, 127.0.0.1:8000 -> 127.0.0.1:8000.
> > > $ ss -nat | grep 8000
> > > ESTAB      0      0          127.0.0.1:8000       127.0.0.1:8000
> 
> Thanks to the failed tests appearing in patchwork, now I'm aware of
> the technical term called "self-connection" in English to describe
> this case. I will update accordingly the title, body messages,
> function name by introducing "self-connection" words like this in the
> next submission.
> 
> Following this clue, I saw many reports happening in these years, like
> [1][2]. Users are often astonished about this phenomenon and lost and
> have to find various ways to workaround it. Since, in my opinion, the
> self-connection doesn't have any advantage and usefulness,

It's useful if you want to test simultaneous connect (SYN_SENT -> SYN_RECV)
path as you see in TCP-AO tests.  See RFC 9293 and the (!ack && syn) case
in tcp_rcv_synsent_state_process().

  https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9293.html#section-3.5-7

So you can't remove self-connect functionality, the recent main user is
syzkaller though.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-18 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-18  4:25 [PATCH net-next] tcp: do not allow to connect with the four-tuple symmetry socket Jason Xing
2024-08-18  5:16 ` Jason Xing
2024-08-18 13:50   ` Jason Xing
2024-08-18 18:48     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima [this message]
2024-08-18 23:48       ` Jason Xing
2024-08-19  0:26         ` Jason Xing
2024-08-19  7:30           ` Eric Dumazet
2024-08-19  9:01             ` Jason Xing
2024-08-19  9:18               ` Eric Dumazet
2024-08-19  9:31                 ` Jason Xing
2024-08-19  9:38                   ` Eric Dumazet
2024-08-19  9:41                     ` Jason Xing
2024-08-19 17:56                       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2024-08-20  0:29                         ` Jason Xing

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