From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
Cc: "Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
"Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Daan De Meyer" <daan.j.demeyer@gmail.com>,
"David Rheinsberg" <david@readahead.eu>,
"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
"Lennart Poettering" <lennart@poettering.net>,
"Luca Boccassi" <bluca@debian.org>, "Mike Yuan" <me@yhndnzj.com>,
"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
"Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
"Alexander Mikhalitsyn" <alexander@mihalicyn.com>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 16:56:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250505-unberechenbar-kosenamen-da3fb108080e@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250505.aFia3choo1aw@digikod.net>
On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 04:41:28PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 01:13:38PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > Coredumping currently supports two modes:
> >
> > (1) Dumping directly into a file somewhere on the filesystem.
> > (2) Dumping into a pipe connected to a usermode helper process
> > spawned as a child of the system_unbound_wq or kthreadd.
> >
> > For simplicity I'm mostly ignoring (1). There's probably still some
> > users of (1) out there but processing coredumps in this way can be
> > considered adventurous especially in the face of set*id binaries.
> >
> > The most common option should be (2) by now. It works by allowing
> > userspace to put a string into /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern like:
> >
> > |/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-coredump %P %u %g %s %t %c %h
> >
> > The "|" at the beginning indicates to the kernel that a pipe must be
> > used. The path following the pipe indicator is a path to a binary that
> > will be spawned as a usermode helper process. Any additional parameters
> > pass information about the task that is generating the coredump to the
> > binary that processes the coredump.
> >
> > In the example core_pattern shown above systemd-coredump is spawned as a
> > usermode helper. There's various conceptual consequences of this
> > (non-exhaustive list):
> >
> > - systemd-coredump is spawned with file descriptor number 0 (stdin)
> > connected to the read-end of the pipe. All other file descriptors are
> > closed. That specifically includes 1 (stdout) and 2 (stderr). This has
> > already caused bugs because userspace assumed that this cannot happen
> > (Whether or not this is a sane assumption is irrelevant.).
> >
> > - systemd-coredump will be spawned as a child of system_unbound_wq. So
> > it is not a child of any userspace process and specifically not a
> > child of PID 1. It cannot be waited upon and is in a weird hybrid
> > upcall which are difficult for userspace to control correctly.
> >
> > - systemd-coredump is spawned with full kernel privileges. This
> > necessitates all kinds of weird privilege dropping excercises in
> > userspace to make this safe.
> >
> > - A new usermode helper has to be spawned for each crashing process.
> >
> > This series adds a new mode:
> >
> > (3) Dumping into an abstract AF_UNIX socket.
> >
> > Userspace can set /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern to:
> >
> > @linuxafsk/coredump_socket
> >
> > The "@" at the beginning indicates to the kernel that the abstract
> > AF_UNIX coredump socket will be used to process coredumps.
> >
> > The coredump socket uses the fixed address "linuxafsk/coredump.socket"
> > for now.
> >
> > The coredump socket is located in the initial network namespace. To bind
> > the coredump socket userspace must hold CAP_SYS_ADMIN in the initial
> > user namespace. Listening and reading can happen from whatever
> > unprivileged context is necessary to safely process coredumps.
> >
> > When a task coredumps it opens a client socket in the initial network
> > namespace and connects to the coredump socket. For now only tasks that
> > are acctually coredumping are allowed to connect to the initial coredump
> > socket.
>
> I think we should avoid using abstract UNIX sockets, especially for new
Abstract unix sockets are at the core of a modern Linux system. During
boot alone about 100 or so are created on a modern system when I counted
during testing. Sorry, but this is a no-show argument.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-05 14:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-05 11:13 [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/10] coredump: massage format_corname() Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/10] coredump: massage do_coredump() Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/10] net: reserve prefix Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/10] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 12:55 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 13:06 ` Luca Boccassi
2025-05-05 14:46 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 18:48 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 8:24 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/10] coredump: validate socket name as it is written Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/10] coredump: show supported coredump modes Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/10] pidfs, coredump: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/10] net, pidfs, coredump: only allow coredumping tasks to connect to coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 13:08 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 14:06 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 18:40 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:10 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 19:35 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:44 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:55 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 20:41 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 7:39 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 14:51 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-06 15:16 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 19:28 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-07 11:50 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 19:55 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 20:30 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 8:06 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 14:37 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-06 19:18 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-07 11:51 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-07 14:22 ` Lennart Poettering
2025-05-07 22:10 ` Paul Moore
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/10] selftests/pidfd: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP infrastructure Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/10] selftests/coredump: add tests for AF_UNIX coredumps Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 14:41 ` [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 14:56 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-05-05 15:38 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 14:59 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 15:39 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 18:33 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 7:33 ` Christian Brauner
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