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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
	alexander@mihalicyn.com,  bluca@debian.org,
	daan.j.demeyer@gmail.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	 david@readahead.eu, edumazet@google.com, horms@kernel.org,
	jack@suse.cz,  kuba@kernel.org, lennart@poettering.net,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	me@yhndnzj.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	 pabeni@redhat.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, zbyszek@in.waw.pl
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 08/10] net, pidfs, coredump: only allow coredumping tasks to connect to coredump socket
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 17:16:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250506-buchmacher-gratulant-9960af036671@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez25gm3kgrS_q3jPiN0k6+-AMbNG4p9MPAD4E1WByc=VBA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 04:51:25PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 9:39 AM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > ("a kernel socket" is not necessarily the same as "a kernel socket
> > > intended for core dumping")
> >
> > Indeed. The usermodehelper is a kernel protocol. Here it's the task with
> > its own credentials that's connecting to a userspace socket. Which makes
> > this very elegant because it's just userspace IPC. No one is running
> > around with kernel credentials anywhere.
> 
> To be clear: I think your current patch is using special kernel
> privileges in one regard, because kernel_connect() bypasses the
> security_socket_connect() security hook. I think it is a good thing
> that it bypasses security hooks in this way; I think we wouldn't want
> LSMs to get in the way of this special connect(), since the task in
> whose context the connect() call happens is not in control of this
> connection; the system administrator is the one who decided that this
> connect() should happen on core dumps. It is kind of inconsistent
> though that that separate security_unix_stream_connect() LSM hook will
> still be invoked in this case, and we might have to watch out to make
> sure that LSMs won't end up blocking such connections... which I think

Right, it is the same as for the usermode helper. It calls
kernel_execve() which invokes at least security_bprm_creds_for_exec()
and security_bprm_check(). Both of which can be used to make the
usermodehelper execve fail.

Fwiw, it's even the case for dumping directly to a file as in that case
it's subject to all kinds of lookup and open security hooks like
security_file_open() and then another round in do_truncate().

All of that happens fully in the task's context as well via
file_open()/file_open_root() or do_truncate().

So there's nothing special here.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-06 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-05 11:13 [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/10] coredump: massage format_corname() Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/10] coredump: massage do_coredump() Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/10] net: reserve prefix Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/10] coredump: add coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 12:55   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 13:06     ` Luca Boccassi
2025-05-05 14:46     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 18:48   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  8:24     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/10] coredump: validate socket name as it is written Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/10] coredump: show supported coredump modes Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/10] pidfs, coredump: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/10] net, pidfs, coredump: only allow coredumping tasks to connect to coredump socket Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 13:08   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 14:06     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 18:40       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:10         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 19:35           ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:44             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 19:55               ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 20:41                 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  7:39                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 14:51                   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-06 15:16                     ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2025-05-06 19:28                       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-07 11:50                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 19:55             ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 20:30               ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  8:06           ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 14:37             ` Jann Horn
2025-05-06 19:18             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-07 11:51               ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-07 14:22                 ` Lennart Poettering
2025-05-07 22:10                 ` Paul Moore
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/10] selftests/pidfd: add PIDFD_INFO_COREDUMP infrastructure Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 11:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/10] selftests/coredump: add tests for AF_UNIX coredumps Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 14:41 ` [PATCH RFC v3 00/10] coredump: add coredump socket Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 14:56   ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-05 15:38     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 14:59   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-05 15:39     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-05 18:33 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  7:33   ` Christian Brauner

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