From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
Cc: willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com,
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leiyang@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org, jon@nutanix.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v9 4/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: avoid ptr_ring tail-drop when a qdisc is present
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2026 10:32:16 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260428103108-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f4274173-23ef-43c3-aab4-b64678b440ec@tu-dortmund.de>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 04:18:54PM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> On 4/28/26 16:10, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 03:41:20PM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> >> On 4/28/26 15:22, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 03:10:44PM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> >>>> On 4/28/26 14:50, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 02:38:59PM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> >>>>>> This commit prevents tail-drop when a qdisc is present and the ptr_ring
> >>>>>> becomes full. Once an entry is successfully produced and the ptr_ring
> >>>>>> reaches capacity, the netdev queue is stopped instead of dropping
> >>>>>> subsequent packets.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If producing an entry fails anyways due to a race, tun_net_xmit returns
> >>>>>> NETDEV_TX_BUSY, again avoiding a drop. Such races are expected because
> >>>>>> LLTX is enabled and the transmit path operates without the usual locking.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If no qdisc is present, the previous tail-drop behavior is preserved.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The existing __tun_wake_queue() function of the consumer races with the
> >>>>>> producer for waking/stopping the netdev queue: the consumer may drain
> >>>>>> the ring just as the producer stops the queue, leading to a permanent
> >>>>>> stall. To avoid this, the producer re-checks the ring after stopping
> >>>>>> and wakes the queue itself if space was just made. An
> >>>>>> smp_mb__after_atomic() is required so the re-peek of the ring sees any
> >>>>>> drain that the consumer performed.
> >>>>>> smp_mb__after_atomic() pairs with the test_and_clear_bit() inside of
> >>>>>> netif_wake_subqueue():
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Consumer CPU Producer CPU
> >>>>>> ======================== =========================
> >>>>>> __ptr_ring_consume()
> >>>>>> netif_wake_subqueue() netif_tx_stop_queue()
> >>>>>> /\ smp_mb__after_atomic()
> >>>>>> || __ptr_ring_produce_peek()
> >>>>>> contains RMW operation
> >>>>>> test_and_clear_bit()
> >>>>>> /\
> >>>>>> ||
> >>>>>> "Fully ordered RMW:
> >>>>>> smp_mb() before + after"
> >>>>>> - atomic_t.txt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Benchmarks:
> >>>>>> The benchmarks show a slight regression in raw transmission performance,
> >>>>>> though no packets are lost anymore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Could you include the packets received as well?
> >>>>> To demonstrate the gains/lack of loss.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you mean the number of packets received by the VM?
> >>>> They should just be the same as the number sent (shown below), right?
> >>>
> >>> Minus the loss? Which this is about, right?
> >>
> >> Yes. I simply calculated "Lost/s":
> >>
> >> elapsed_time = 100e6 / sent_pps
> >> Lost/s = total_errors / elapsed_time
> >>
> >>
> >> To get back total_errors for example for TAP
> >> 1 thread sending:
> >>
> >> elapsed_time = 100e6 / 1.136Mpps = 88s
> >>
> >> 3758 Mpps = total_errors / 88s
> >> <=> total_errors = 331 million packets
> >>
> >> So, out of 431 million packets sent, 100 million were successfully
> >> delivered and 331 million were lost.
> >
> > That is my issue.
> >
> > I kind of have trouble mapping that to the table below.
> > For example:
> >
> > | TAP | Transmitted | 1.136 Mpps | 1.130 Mpps | -0.6% |
> > | +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> > | | Lost/s | 3.758 Mpps | 0 pps | |
> >
> > how can # of lost packets exceed the # of transmitted packets?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> I just do use the sample script [1]:
>
> ./pktgen_sample02_multiqueue.sh -n 100000000 ...
>
> ... and this runs until 100_000_000 packets were sucessfully
> transmitted, independently of the lost packets/errors.
>
> [1] Link: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/networking/pktgen.html#sample-scripts
Confused. Are you saying "transmitted" is actually "received"? And the #
of packets sent is Transmitted + Lost?
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>> I assume they would be visible as RX-DRP for TAP.
> >>>> For TAP + vhost-net I would have to rewrite the XDP drop
> >>>> program to count the number of dropped packets...
> >>>> And I would have to automate it...
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The previously introduced threshold to only wake after the queue stopped
> >>>>>> and half of the ring was consumed showed to be a descent choice:
> >>>>>> Waking the queue whenever a consume made space in the ring strongly
> >>>>>> degrades performance for tap, while waking only when the ring is empty
> >>>>>> is too late and also hurts throughput for tap & tap+vhost-net.
> >>>>>> Other ratios (3/4, 7/8) showed similar results (not shown here), so
> >>>>>> 1/2 was chosen for the sake of simplicity for both tun/tap and
> >>>>>> tun/tap+vhost-net.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Test setup:
> >>>>>> AMD Ryzen 5 5600X at 4.3 GHz, 3200 MHz RAM, isolated QEMU threads;
> >>>>>> Average over 50 runs @ 100,000,000 packets. SRSO and spectre v2
> >>>>>> mitigations disabled.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Note for tap+vhost-net:
> >>>>>> XDP drop program active in VM -> ~2.5x faster, slower for tap due to
> >>>>>> more syscalls (high utilization of entry_SYSRETQ_unsafe_stack in perf)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +--------------------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | 1 thread | Stock | Patched with | diff |
> >>>>>> | sending | | fq_codel qdisc | |
> >>>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | TAP | Transmitted | 1.136 Mpps | 1.130 Mpps | -0.6% |
> >>>>>> | +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | | Lost/s | 3.758 Mpps | 0 pps | |
> >>>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | TAP | Transmitted | 3.858 Mpps | 3.816 Mpps | -1.1% |
> >>>>>> | +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | +vhost-net | Lost/s | 789.8 Kpps | 0 pps | |
> >>>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +--------------------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | 2 threads | Stock | Patched with | diff |
> >>>>>> | sending | | fq_codel qdisc | |
> >>>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | TAP | Transmitted | 1.117 Mpps | 1.087 Mpps | -2.7% |
> >>>>>> | +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | | Lost/s | 8.476 Mpps | 0 pps | |
> >>>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | TAP | Transmitted | 3.679 Mpps | 3.464 Mpps | -5.8% |
> >>>>>> | +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>> | +vhost-net | Lost/s | 5.306 Mpps | 0 pps | |
> >>>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Co-developed-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> drivers/net/tun.c | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> >>>>>> 1 file changed, 28 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tun.c b/drivers/net/tun.c
> >>>>>> index efe809597622..c2a1618cc9db 100644
> >>>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tun.c
> >>>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tun.c
> >>>>>> @@ -1011,6 +1011,8 @@ static netdev_tx_t tun_net_xmit(struct sk_buff *skb, struct net_device *dev)
> >>>>>> struct netdev_queue *queue;
> >>>>>> struct tun_file *tfile;
> >>>>>> int len = skb->len;
> >>>>>> + bool qdisc_present;
> >>>>>> + int ret;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> rcu_read_lock();
> >>>>>> tfile = rcu_dereference(tun->tfiles[txq]);
> >>>>>> @@ -1065,13 +1067,37 @@ static netdev_tx_t tun_net_xmit(struct sk_buff *skb, struct net_device *dev)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nf_reset_ct(skb);
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - if (ptr_ring_produce(&tfile->tx_ring, skb)) {
> >>>>>> + queue = netdev_get_tx_queue(dev, txq);
> >>>>>> + qdisc_present = !qdisc_txq_has_no_queue(queue);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + spin_lock(&tfile->tx_ring.producer_lock);
> >>>>>> + ret = __ptr_ring_produce(&tfile->tx_ring, skb);
> >>>>>> + if (__ptr_ring_produce_peek(&tfile->tx_ring) && qdisc_present) {
> >>>>>> + netif_tx_stop_queue(queue);
> >>>>>> + /* Re-peek and wake if the consumer drained the ring
> >>>>>> + * concurrently in a race. smp_mb__after_atomic() pairs
> >>>>>> + * with the test_and_clear_bit() of netif_wake_subqueue()
> >>>>>> + * in __tun_wake_queue().
> >>>>>> + */
> >>>>>> + smp_mb__after_atomic();
> >>>>>> + if (!__ptr_ring_produce_peek(&tfile->tx_ring))
> >>>>>> + netif_tx_wake_queue(queue);
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> + spin_unlock(&tfile->tx_ring.producer_lock);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (ret) {
> >>>>>> + /* If a qdisc is attached to our virtual device,
> >>>>>> + * returning NETDEV_TX_BUSY is allowed.
> >>>>>> + */
> >>>>>> + if (qdisc_present) {
> >>>>>> + rcu_read_unlock();
> >>>>>> + return NETDEV_TX_BUSY;
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> drop_reason = SKB_DROP_REASON_FULL_RING;
> >>>>>> goto drop;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /* dev->lltx requires to do our own update of trans_start */
> >>>>>> - queue = netdev_get_tx_queue(dev, txq);
> >>>>>> txq_trans_cond_update(queue);
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /* Notify and wake up reader process */
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> 2.43.0
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-28 14:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-28 12:38 [PATCH net-next v9 0/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: apply qdisc backpressure on full ptr_ring to reduce TX drops Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 12:38 ` [PATCH net-next v9 1/4] tun/tap: add ptr_ring consume helper with netdev queue wakeup Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 12:38 ` [PATCH net-next v9 2/4] vhost-net: wake queue of tun/tap after ptr_ring consume Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 12:38 ` [PATCH net-next v9 3/4] ptr_ring: move free-space check into separate helper Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 12:38 ` [PATCH net-next v9 4/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: avoid ptr_ring tail-drop when a qdisc is present Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 12:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-28 13:10 ` Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 13:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-28 13:41 ` Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 14:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-28 14:18 ` Simon Schippers
2026-04-28 14:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-04-28 14:55 ` Simon Schippers
2026-04-29 21:04 ` [PATCH net-next v9 0/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: apply qdisc backpressure on full ptr_ring to reduce TX drops Simon Schippers
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