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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Askar Safin <safinaskar@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk, brauner@kernel.org,
	david@kernel.org, dhowells@redhat.com, hch@infradead.org,
	jack@suse.cz, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, miklos@szeredi.hu, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	patches@lists.linux.dev, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2026 11:14:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260603111452.7e7bb17c@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aiAREqlHK1llOw_y@pedro-suse.lan>

On Wed, 3 Jun 2026 12:43:54 +0100 Pedro Falcato wrote:
> > Am I understanding correctly that this will completely break zerocopy
> > sendfile?  sendfile is, internally, splice-to-a-secret-per-task-pipe
> > and then splice to the socket.  How much to people care?  These days,
> > a lot of high-bandwidth network senders are sending encrypted data,
> > which is not zerocopy frompagecache.  But there are surely some users  
> 
> You can do zerocopy from the page cache, even with TLS on top, by having
> your (fancy) NIC do TLS offloading for you. See https://people.freebsd.org/~gallatin/talks/euro2019-ktls.pdf.
> Linux works similarly. Slide 26 is particularly interesting.
> (No KTLS I assume is using simple sendmsg()'s from user memory, SW TLS
> and NIC KTLS are both sendfile(), per the slides)

FTR this datapoint should come with the caveat that kTLS _offload_ does
not support TLS 1.3 today. So how much that configuration is used in
practice is unclear.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-03 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-31  1:01 [PATCH 0/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2 Askar Safin
2026-05-31  1:01 ` [PATCH 1/3] tee: fs/splice.c: remove unused parameter "flags" from "link_pipe" Askar Safin
2026-05-31  1:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2 Askar Safin
2026-06-03 20:56   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2026-06-03 21:17     ` Askar Safin
2026-05-31  1:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] splice: remove PIPE_BUF_FLAG_GIFT Askar Safin
2026-05-31  8:54 ` [PATCH 0/3] vmsplice: make vmsplice a trivial wrapper for preadv2/pwritev2 Pedro Falcato
2026-05-31 21:21   ` Askar Safin
2026-06-01 16:16     ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-02 21:12   ` Askar Safin
2026-06-02 21:37     ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 22:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-02 22:41         ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 23:07           ` Askar Safin
2026-06-02 22:54         ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03  0:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03  1:08             ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03  3:51             ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03  4:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03  6:45                 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-03 13:40                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-03 15:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 18:10                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 18:28                   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 19:22                     ` David Howells
2026-06-03 19:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 21:31                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 21:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 21:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 22:23                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 22:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 22:43                       ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03 22:49                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-03 23:00                           ` Askar Safin
2026-06-03 18:12                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-03 11:43               ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-03 18:14                 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-06-01  3:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-01 15:36   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-01 15:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-01 16:17       ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-01 16:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-03 19:24       ` David Howells
2026-06-01 16:23 ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-01 17:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-01 17:33     ` Al Viro
2026-06-01 20:04       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-06-02  0:28         ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-02  8:25           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02 18:44             ` Eric Biggers
2026-06-03  7:50               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03  9:57       ` Miklos Szeredi

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