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From: "Chuck Lever" <cel@kernel.org>
To: "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Sabrina Dubroca" <sd@queasysnail.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Jeff Layton" <jlayton@kernel.org>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	"Olga Kornievskaia" <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	"Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, "Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-tls-handshake@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 21:57:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <480a8337-a91e-40e5-8dbd-d165599fba4b@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260728185124.72e421c8@kernel.org>



On Tue, Jul 28, 2026, at 9:51 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 10:27:56 -0400 Chuck Lever wrote:
>> Kernel TCP consumers that use the read_sock interface
>> (proto_ops.read_sock) cannot receive TLS control messages (Alerts,
>> Handshake records) when kTLS is active. The current
>> tls_sw_read_sock() method rejects non-data records with -EINVAL, and
>> the sk_read_actor_t callback has no channel for delivering record-
>> type metadata.
>> 
>> Four kernel subsystems are affected: NFSD (sunrpc svcsock), NFS
>> client (sunrpc xprtsock), NVMe target (nvmet-tcp), and NVMe host
>> (nvme-tcp). Each of these either falls back to the sock_recvmsg()
>> API or lacks TLS alert handling entirely.
>> 
>> A new read_sock_rectype method in struct proto_ops provides a
>> separate code path that delivers non-data TLS records to a callback,
>> without changing the behavior seen by existing read_sock consumers.
>> 
>> The new sk_read_rectype_actor_t callback type extends the
>> sk_read_actor_t signature with a rectype parameter carrying the
>> protocol-layer record type (for example, TLS_RECORD_TYPE_ALERT). The
>> record-type callback returns 0 to consume a record or a negative
>> value to requeue it and stop delivery; unlike the data callback, its
>> return value does not count bytes.
>
> To me this is an ugly one-off workaround that doesn't fit into 
> the proto_ops (only TLS will use it). And you seem to net out
> to the same LOC on SUNRPC side with and without this?

It’s not about LOC. It’s about not cluttering the normal I/O
path with a lot of exception processing to handle TLS Alert
records. The CMSG API is very difficult to use and leaks the
alert messages into I/O buffers (which for in-kernel consumers
are page cache pages). It’s piss-poor API design.


> There needs to be a very strong reason for us to add APIs for
> in kernel consumers.

This is not a helpful position. Your objection is the same
every time, treating the in-kernel users as second-class
citizens. You haven’t provided a single alternative to address
our concerns, and you have not explained why an additional API
is a problem.

Please put down your hostility and elaborate. You seem to be
the only one who has a problem with any of this.

-- 
Chuck Lever

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-29  1:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-20 14:27 [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/6] net/tls: Bound consecutive no-data records in tls_sw_read_sock() Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:11   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-23 13:24     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 14:23       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-23 14:29         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 22:05           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29  1:47   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  3:17     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:51   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:57     ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2026-07-29  2:30       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:51         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/6] tls: Implement read_sock_rectype for kTLS software path Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/6] selftests/tls: Add tests for data/control record interleaving Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/6] SUNRPC: Use read_sock_rectype for svcsock TCP receives Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:28 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/6] SUNRPC: Remove sock_recvmsg path from " Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:19 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:43 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:46   ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  1:55     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:16       ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:24         ` Jakub Kicinski

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