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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Chengen Du <chengen.du@canonical.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net,  edumazet@google.com,  kuba@kernel.org,
	 netdev@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] af_packet: Handle outgoing VLAN packets without hardware offloading
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 09:28:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <664ca1651b66_14f7a8294cb@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eaf33ba66cbdc639b0209b232f892ec8a52a1f21.camel@redhat.com>

Paolo Abeni wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-05-21 at 11:31 +0800, Chengen Du wrote:
> > I would appreciate any suggestions you could offer, as I am not as
> > familiar with this area as you are.
> > 
> > I encountered an issue while capturing packets using tcpdump, which
> > leverages the libpcap library for sniffing functionalities.
> > Specifically, when I use "tcpdump -i any" to capture packets and
> > hardware VLAN offloading is unavailable, some bogus packets appear.

Bogus how exactly?

> > In this scenario, Linux uses cooked-mode capture (SLL) for the "any"
> > device, reading from a PF_PACKET/SOCK_DGRAM socket instead of the
> > usual PF_PACKET/SOCK_RAW socket.

Trying to extract L2 or VLAN information from the any device may be
the real issue here.

> > 
> > Using SOCK_DGRAM instead of SOCK_RAW means that the Linux socket code
> > does not supply the packet's link-layer header.
> > Based on the code in af_packet.c, SOCK_DGRAM strips L2 headers from
> > the original packets and provides SLL for some L2 information.
> 
> > From the receiver's perspective, the VLAN information can only be
> > parsed from SLL, which causes issues if the kernel stores VLAN
> > information in the payload.

ETH_HLEN is pulled, but the VLAN tag is still present, right?

> > 
> > As you mentioned, this modification affects existing PF_PACKET receivers.
> > For example, libpcap needs to change how it parses VLAN packets with
> > the PF_PACKET/SOCK_RAW socket.
> > The lack of VLAN information in SLL may prevent the receiver from
> > properly decoding the L3 frame in cooked mode.
> > 
> > I am new to this area and would appreciate it if you could kindly
> > correct any misunderstandings I might have about the mechanism.
> > I would also be grateful for any insights you could share on this issue.
> > Additionally, I am passionate about contributing to resolving this
> > issue and am willing to work on patches based on your suggestions.
> 
> One possible way to address the above in a less invasive manner, could
> be allocating a new TP_STATUS_VLAN_HEADER_IS_PRESENT bit, set it for
> SLL when the vlan is not stripped by H/W and patch tcpdump to interpret
> such info.

Any change must indeed not break existing users. It's not sufficient
to change pcap/tcpdump. There are lots of other PF_PACKET users out
there. Related, it is helpful to verify that tcpdump agrees to a patch
before we change the ABI for it.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-21 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-20  7:03 [PATCH] af_packet: Handle outgoing VLAN packets without hardware offloading Chengen Du
2024-05-20 18:35 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-05-21  3:31   ` Chengen Du
2024-05-21  8:35     ` Paolo Abeni
2024-05-21 13:28       ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2024-05-22 14:27         ` Chengen Du
2024-05-22 18:39           ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-05-22 19:54             ` alexandre.ferrieux
2024-05-23 14:17               ` Chengen Du
2024-05-23 14:52                 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-05-23 14:56 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-05-24 14:04   ` Chengen Du
2024-05-25 15:51     ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-05-25 20:55       ` alexandre.ferrieux
2024-05-26 15:25         ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-05-27  0:18           ` alexandre.ferrieux

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