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From: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com,
	kuba@kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com, eperezma@redhat.com,
	leiyang@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org, jon@nutanix.com,
	tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v10 4/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: avoid ptr_ring tail-drop when a qdisc is present
Date: Thu, 7 May 2026 17:19:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81f2d6e8-5138-495a-9efb-1d6ad9c6072b@tu-dortmund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c9fc9e0a-0837-49b4-91b9-4adb54c1a037@tu-dortmund.de>

On 5/7/26 08:32, Simon Schippers wrote:
> On 5/7/26 00:56, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Wed, May 06, 2026 at 06:28:06PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 06, 2026 at 04:10:33PM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
>>>> This commit prevents tail-drop when a qdisc is present and the ptr_ring
>>>> becomes full. Once an entry is successfully produced and the ptr_ring
>>>> reaches capacity, the netdev queue is stopped instead of dropping
>>>> subsequent packets. If no qdisc is present, the previous tail-drop
>>>> behavior is preserved.
>>>>
>>>> If producing an entry fails anyways due to a race, tun_net_xmit() drops
>>>> the packet. Such races are expected because LLTX is enabled and the
>>>> transmit path operates without the usual locking.
>>>>
>>>> The __tun_wake_queue() function of the consumer races with the producer
>>>> for waking/stopping the netdev queue, which could result in a stalled
>>>> queue. Therefore, an smp_mb__after_atomic() is introduced that pairs
>>>> with the smp_mb() of the consumer. It follows the principle of store
>>>> buffering described in tools/memory-model/Documentation/recipes.txt:
>>>>
>>>> - The producer in tun_net_xmit() first sets __QUEUE_STATE_DRV_XOFF,
>>>>   followed by an smp_mb__after_atomic() (= smp_mb()), and then reads the
>>>>   ring with __ptr_ring_produce_peek().
>>>>
>>>> - The consumer in __tun_wake_queue() first writes zero to the ring in
>>>>   __ptr_ring_consume(), followed by an smp_mb(), and then reads the queue
>>>>   status with netif_tx_queue_stopped().
>>>>
>>>> => Following the aforementioned principle, it is impossible for the
>>>>    producer to see a full ring (and therefore not wake the queue on the
>>>>    re-check) while the consumer simultaneously fails to see a stopped
>>>>    queue (and therefore also does not wake it).
>>>>
>>>> Benchmarks:
>>>> The benchmarks show a slight regression in raw transmission performance
>>>> when using two sending threads. Packet loss also occurs only in the
>>>> two-thread sending case; no packet loss was observed with a single
>>>> sending thread.
>>>>
>>>> Test setup:
>>>> AMD Ryzen 5 5600X at 4.3 GHz, 3200 MHz RAM, isolated QEMU threads;
>>>> Average over 50 runs @ 100,000,000 packets. SRSO and spectre v2
>>>> mitigations disabled.
>>>>
>>>> Note for tap+vhost-net:
>>>> XDP drop program active in VM -> ~2.5x faster; slower for tap due to
>>>> more syscalls (high utilization of entry_SYSRETQ_unsafe_stack in perf)
>>>>
>>>> +--------------------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | 1 thread                 | Stock        | Patched with   | diff     |
>>>> | sending                  |              | fq_codel qdisc |          |
>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | TAP        | Received    | 1.132 Mpps   | 1.133 Mpps     | +0.1%    |
>>>> |            +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> |            | Lost/s      | 3.765 Mpps   | 0 pps          |          |
>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | TAP        | Received    | 3.857 Mpps   | 3.905 Mpps     | +1.2%    |
>>>> |            +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | +vhost-net | Lost/s      | 0.802 Mpps   | 0 pps          |          |
>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>>
>>>> +--------------------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | 2 threads                | Stock        | Patched with   | diff     |
>>>> | sending                  |              | fq_codel qdisc |          |
>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | TAP        | Received    | 1.115 Mpps   | 1.092 Mpps     | -2.1%    |
>>>> |            +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> |            | Lost/s      | 8.490 Mpps   | 359 pps        |          |
>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | TAP        | Received    | 3.664 Mpps   | 3.549 Mpps     | -3.1%    |
>>>> |            +-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>> | +vhost-net | Lost/s      | 5.330 Mpps   | 832 pps        |          |
>>>> +------------+-------------+--------------+----------------+----------+
>>>>
>>>> Co-developed-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
>>>> ---
>>>>  drivers/net/tun.c | 25 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>>>  1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tun.c b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>> index fc358c4c355b..d9ffbf88cfd8 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>> @@ -1018,6 +1018,7 @@ static netdev_tx_t tun_net_xmit(struct sk_buff *skb, struct net_device *dev)
>>>>  	struct netdev_queue *queue;
>>>>  	struct tun_file *tfile;
>>>>  	int len = skb->len;
>>>> +	int ret;
>>>>  
>>>>  	rcu_read_lock();
>>>>  	tfile = rcu_dereference(tun->tfiles[txq]);
>>>> @@ -1072,13 +1073,33 @@ static netdev_tx_t tun_net_xmit(struct sk_buff *skb, struct net_device *dev)
>>>>  
>>>>  	nf_reset_ct(skb);
>>>>  
>>>> -	if (ptr_ring_produce(&tfile->tx_ring, skb)) {
>>>> +	queue = netdev_get_tx_queue(dev, txq);
>>>> +
>>>> +	spin_lock(&tfile->tx_ring.producer_lock);
>>>> +	ret = __ptr_ring_produce(&tfile->tx_ring, skb);
>>>> +	if (!qdisc_txq_has_no_queue(queue) &&
>>>> +	    (__ptr_ring_produce_peek(&tfile->tx_ring) || ret)) {
>>>> +		netif_tx_stop_queue(queue);
>>>> +		/* Paired with smp_mb() in __tun_wake_queue() */
>>>> +		smp_mb__after_atomic();
>>>> +		if (!__ptr_ring_produce_peek(&tfile->tx_ring))
>>>> +			netif_tx_wake_queue(queue);
>>>> +	}
>>>> +	spin_unlock(&tfile->tx_ring.producer_lock);
>>>> +
>>>
>>> There's a weird corner case here when tx_queue_len is 0
>>> but a qdisc has been configured - it looks like that
>>> currently it just drops all packets, with this change,
>>> the qdisc will get stuck permanently.
>>>
>>> I suspect just checking tx_ring.size should fix it.
>>> Or if you feel adventurous, change return code for __ptr_ring_produce
>>> to distinguish between "no ring" and "no space".
>>
>>
>> __ptr_ring_produce_peek really.
>>
> 
> Yes, I like the approach of returning this from
> __ptr_ring_produce_peek(). Then I will do a switch on the return value
> in tun_net_xmit().

Sashiko reports the same :)


So for the v11 I will:

- Change __ptr_ring_produce_peek() to return -ENOSPC / -EINVAL? (for 0
  sized ring) / 0

- Lock the ring.consumer_lock in __tun_detach() to avoid a race with
  consumer (Sashiko).

> 
> Additionally, I should wake up in tun_queue_resize() after calling
> ptr_ring_resize_multiple_bh(). For a new dev->tx_queue_len > 0, it
> should be fine without waking, but for 0 it is not.
> 
>>
>>>
>>>> +	if (ret) {
>>>> +		/* This should be a rare case if a qdisc is present, but
>>>> +		 * can happen due to lltx.
>>>> +		 * Since skb_tx_timestamp(), skb_orphan(),
>>>> +		 * run_ebpf_filter() and pskb_trim() could have tinkered
>>>> +		 * with the SKB, returning NETDEV_TX_BUSY is unsafe and
>>>> +		 * we must drop instead.
>>>> +		 */
>>>>  		drop_reason = SKB_DROP_REASON_FULL_RING;
>>>>  		goto drop;
>>>>  	}
>>>>  
>>>>  	/* dev->lltx requires to do our own update of trans_start */
>>>> -	queue = netdev_get_tx_queue(dev, txq);
>>>>  	txq_trans_cond_update(queue);
>>>>  
>>>>  	/* Notify and wake up reader process */
>>>> -- 
>>>> 2.43.0
>>

      reply	other threads:[~2026-05-07 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-06 14:10 [PATCH net-next v10 0/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: apply qdisc backpressure on full ptr_ring to reduce TX drops Simon Schippers
2026-05-06 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v10 1/4] tun/tap: add ptr_ring consume helper with netdev queue wakeup Simon Schippers
2026-05-06 22:18   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-07  6:21     ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-06 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v10 2/4] vhost-net: wake queue of tun/tap after ptr_ring consume Simon Schippers
2026-05-06 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v10 3/4] ptr_ring: move free-space check into separate helper Simon Schippers
2026-05-06 14:10 ` [PATCH net-next v10 4/4] tun/tap & vhost-net: avoid ptr_ring tail-drop when a qdisc is present Simon Schippers
2026-05-06 22:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-06 22:56     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-07  6:32       ` Simon Schippers
2026-05-07 15:19         ` Simon Schippers [this message]

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