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From: "Daniel Zahka" <daniel.zahka@gmail.com>
To: "Jakub Sitnicki" <jakub@cloudflare.com>,
	"Daniel Zahka" <daniel.zahka@gmail.com>
Cc: <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, "Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@google.com>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@fomichev.me>, <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kernel-team@cloudflare.com>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Eduard Zingerman" <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	"Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi" <memxor@gmail.com>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	"Emil Tsalapatis" <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Florian Westphal" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"Jack Wang" <163wangjack@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 03/14] bpf: Make BPF skb extension survive packet scrubbing
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2026 08:03:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DLODSKPY6ON6.1G6SP3CFFLCPJ@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fqyypp67.fsf@cloudflare.com>

On Thu Sep 24, 2026 at 12:52 PM EDT, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2026 at 01:46 PM -04, Daniel Zahka wrote:
>> On Thu Sep 10, 2026 at 10:02 AM EDT, Jakub Sitnicki wrote:
>>> skb_scrub_packet() drops all skb extensions unconditionally via
>>> skb_ext_reset(). It runs on tunnel encap/decap (ip_tunnel_rcv, vxlan_rcv,
>>> etc.) and cross-netns forwarding (dev_forward_skb).
>>>
>>> This makes it impossible for a BPF program to pass metadata via bpf_skb_ext
>>> through a tunnel or across a netns boundary. The extension is always lost
>>> at the scrub point.
>>>
>>> Introduce skb_ext_scrub(), a selective variant of skb_ext_reset(). It
>>> deletes every extension except SKB_EXT_BPF. Scrubbing is safe when the
>>> extension slab is shared with clones: deleting an extension only clears the
>>> per-skb active_extensions bit, and the shared slab payload is released
>>> lazily by __skb_ext_put() once the last reference goes away.
>>>
>>> Replace the skb_ext_reset() call in skb_scrub_packet() with skb_ext_scrub()
>>> and also switch udp_try_make_stateless() to skb_ext_scrub() as well, so the
>>> BPF metadata survives queueing onto a UDP socket receive queue and stays
>>> readable there (e.g. for a sockmap verdict program). Only mark the skb
>>> stateless when no extension survives the scrub. Otherwise skb_consume_udp()
>>> would take the __consume_stateless_skb() fast path, which skips
>>> skb_release_head_state(), and leak the extension slab.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@cloudflare.com>
>>> ---
>>
>> Hello Jakub,
>> What are your current plans for this series? This commit solves the same
>> problem I have with wanting to preserve the PSP skb extension across
>> netns forwarding.
>
> I've implemented Alexei's idea of skb-lifecycle tracepoints that run
> only when an skb is marked/traced. Currently putting final touches on it
> before sending it out for the first round of feedback. You can take
> sneak peek at it on GH [1] to see if it meets your needs.
>
> The CPU overhead is lower compared to the skb extension, at least in my
> local runs, and the kernel changes are simpler, so it seems like a win
> overall:
>
> |                  | gated skb tps    | bpf skb ext      |
> |------------------|------------------|------------------|
> | **busy**         | **+5.44 ± 3.16** | **+8.01 ± 4.75** |
> | sys              | +2.62 ± 2.06     | +3.67 ± 2.76     |
> | soft             | +2.89 ± 1.43     | +3.83 ± 2.10     |
> | ns/pkt @146k pps | **+≈ 373**       | **+≈ 549**       |
>
> I'll be giving an update on it at LPC [1], if you're attending, and of
> course will keep you posted here on the ML.
>
> -jkbs
>
> [1] https://github.com/jsitnicki/linux/commits/gated-skb-tracepoints-2026-09-24/
> [2] https://lpc.events/event/20/contributions/2549/

Very cool. Thanks for sharing. So it seems your new approach will not
use skb extensions, and this commit will go away :(

I still have a need for this behavior of persisting certain skb
extensions through scrubbing. I haven't considered all of my options
yet, but I suspect the approach in this commit will work basically as
is. If you are going to abandon this commit, would you be ok if I
included it in a series of my own for PSP? I would, of course, leave you
as the commit author, or give you whatever other form attribution you
prefer.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-25 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-10 14:02 [PATCH net-next v2 00/14] skb extension for BPF metadata Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 01/14] bpf: Introduce per-packet metadata storage for BPF programs Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-11 10:19   ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 02/14] bpf: Allow access to bpf_sock_ops_kern->skb Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 03/14] bpf: Make BPF skb extension survive packet scrubbing Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-23 17:46   ` Daniel Zahka
2026-09-24 16:52     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-25  1:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-25 19:18         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-09-25 19:51           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-25 20:20             ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-09-25 20:27               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-28 15:52                 ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-28 16:14                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-29 20:32                     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-30  9:00                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-02 12:37                         ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-25 12:03       ` Daniel Zahka [this message]
2026-09-25 15:24         ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 04/14] selftests/bpf: Add tests for bpf_dynptr_from_skb_ext Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 05/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext on cloned skbs Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 06/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext survival across veth and GRE Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 07/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext read from cgroup_skb and sk_filter hooks Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 08/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext read from sock_ops and LSM hooks Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 09/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext read from kfree_skb tracepoint Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 10/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext read from netfilter hook Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 11/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext from LWT in, out, and xmit hooks Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 12/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext read from seg6local End.BPF hook Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 13/14] selftests/bpf: Test skb_ext read from sk_skb stream verdict hook Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 14:02 ` [PATCH net-next v2 14/14] selftests/bpf: Use non-trivial test payload in xdp_context tests Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-10 15:56 ` [PATCH net-next v2 00/14] skb extension for BPF metadata Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-11 11:33   ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-09-12  3:32     ` Alexei Starovoitov

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