Jeff's Rules

Jeff's Rules

[Jeffrey Laramie]

It's been a busy day on the mailing list and I've already spent far more 
time online than I should have, so I think this is a good time to share 
"Jeff's Unofficial Rules for Using a Mailing List":

1.  If you're going to ask a question please be specific -- Saying "I 
installed iptables and my system is broken, can u help me?" just doesn't 
work. Anyone who bothers to answer a question like that will spend 5 
e-mails just trying to figure out what your problem is. If you want 
help, we need to know as much about your configuration, your rules, and 
the exact symptoms of your problem as possible. Give us the info we need 
to solve the problem.

2.  We want to help you but we don't work for you -- We will freely 
share our knowledge, time, and experience with you, but you have to do 
the work. We simply don't have time or the interest to configure your 
system or write your rules. Make your best effort then show what you've 
done. We'll try and guide you to the answer you need. We don't want you 
to feel intimidated or afraid to ask for advice. On the other hand if 
you say something really dumb, we may snicker a bit. See rule 4.

3.  There are many very, very smart people who contribute to this list 
who are experts in source code, rule design, firewall theory, and Linux 
in general. The knowledge of the entire netfilter community is at your 
fingertips. Treat them with respect and say thanks once in awhile.

4.  Don't take things so seriously -- While nobody wants to be bothered 
by foolishness, off topic questions, and idle chitchat, it's ok to crack 
a joke once and awhile. We work hard and are usually under lots of 
stress. A light moment breaks up the day and makes things just a bit 
more enjoyable.

5.  Don't spam the list with nonsense -- This is not the place for 
resumes and sales pitches. While I don't set the rules for this list, I 
can tell you that I don't mind an announcement of a related program, 
script, or product, and long as it's brief and in text. Above all 
*never* send out annoying e-mails like this one.

These rules do not reflect the opinions of the netfilter.org or anyone 
else that matters. Follow these rules at your own risk. Your mileage may 
vary. Do not take with alcohol.

Jeff

RE: Jeff's Rules

[Aldo S. Lagana]

I'd only add - Read Oskar's Tutorial - better yet - attempt to understand
how it will fit into your setup - after all - this stuff IS almost as
complicated as rocket science!

http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/


-----Original Message-----
From: netfilter-admin@lists.netfilter.org
[mailto:netfilter-admin@lists.netfilter.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Laramie
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:51 PM
To: nf

It's been a busy day on the mailing list and I've already spent far more 
time online than I should have, so I think this is a good time to share 
"Jeff's Unofficial Rules for Using a Mailing List":

Re: Jeff's Rules

[Jeffrey Laramie]

Aldo S. Lagana wrote:

>I'd only add - Read Oskar's Tutorial - better yet - attempt to understand
>how it will fit into your setup - after all - this stuff IS almost as
>complicated as rocket science!
>
>http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/
>  
>

Absolutely. In fact on this list that should be rule #1

Jeff

Re: Jeff's Rules

[William Stearns]

Good evening, Jeff,

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

> It's been a busy day on the mailing list and I've already spent far more 
> time online than I should have, so I think this is a good time to share 
> "Jeff's Unofficial Rules for Using a Mailing List":

	We think alike... :-)
	http://www.stearns.org/doc/howtoask.current.html
	Cheers,
	- Bill

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