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From: Tom van Leeuwen <tom.van.leeuwen@saasplaza.com>
To: Shawn Wilson <ag4ve.us@gmail.com>,
	jack seth <bird_112@hotmail.com>,
	"netfilter@vger.kernel.org" <netfilter@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Getting iptables not to reply
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:48:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5249C793.7010201@saasplaza.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d258c476-1215-47ba-84cc-9ca16fba3ca7@email.android.com>

Hi,

It seems Jack does not want any response...
So what happens when you hit a machine that has a port closed? Well: 
this happens (telnet 127.0.0.30 443):
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on lo, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes
20:42:07.706751 IP 127.0.0.1.34056 > 127.0.0.30.443: Flags [S], seq 
2590507944, win 43690, options [mss 65495,sackOK,TS val 3717641 ecr 
0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
20:42:07.706778 IP 127.0.0.30.443 > 127.0.0.1.34056: Flags [R.], seq 0, 
ack 2590507945, win 0, length 0

In response to my TCP SYN packet on loopback ip 127.0.0.30:443, which 
does not have a service running, you see the kernel respond with a TCP RST.

Jack: You're talking about a router. Is the router being hit here on a 
closed port, or is some machine behind the router being hit on a closed 
port?

Only option I see, which really sucks and __I DO_NOT_RECOMMEND_THIS__ 
because it may also DROP legitimate RST packets when the service 
actually wants to send it:
iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp -s 127.0.0.30 --sport 443 --tcp-flags RST RST 
-j DROP

I'm interested in a more clean solution though!

Regards,
Tom van Leeuwen

On 09/30/2013 07:35 PM, Shawn Wilson wrote:
> Err should've been FIN, SYN, or RST
>
> Shawn Wilson <ag4ve.us@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you want to respond with ACK, FIN, or RST?
>>
>> jack seth <bird_112@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, if you have an 'accept' rule for a service that is not currently
>>> running, is it possible to have iptables to simply not respond instead
>>> of reporting the port as 'closed'?  During a port scan at grc.com, if
>>> the router doesn't reply the port will be reported as 'stealth'. 		 	
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-30 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-30 15:58 Getting iptables not to reply jack seth
2013-09-30 17:32 ` Shawn Wilson
2013-09-30 17:35   ` Shawn Wilson
2013-09-30 18:48     ` Tom van Leeuwen [this message]
2013-09-30 18:58       ` Tom van Leeuwen
2013-09-30 23:56         ` Shawn Wilson

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