RE: TTL target

RE: TTL target

[Hudson Delbert J Contr 61 CS/SCBN]

no...is that short enough


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On Friday 23 July 2004 9:35 pm, Hudson Delbert J Contr 61 CS/SCBN wrote:

> sorry for being a wet blanket - so to speak.
>
> if stateless defense algortihms are employed, the need to retain state in
> order to make proper decisions.
>
> i suspect that much of todays netsec and / or ids software violates one of
> the main premises of coding securely [re: cheswick / bellovin / comer /
> farmer / venema / etc...

Sorry; I tried to follow your posting, but found it a bit obscure.

Is there a succinct version of the point you were making?

(Hopefully, one or two sentences?)

Thanks,

Antony.

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Re: TTL target

[Antony Stone]

On Friday 23 July 2004 10:03 pm, Hudson Delbert J Contr 61 CS/SCBN wrote:

> no...is that short enough

Thanks,

Antony.

> -----Original Message-----
>
> On Friday 23 July 2004 9:35 pm, Hudson Delbert J Contr 61 CS/SCBN wrote:
> > sorry for being a wet blanket - so to speak.
> >
> > if stateless defense algortihms are employed, the need to retain state in
> > order to make proper decisions.
> >
> > i suspect that much of todays netsec and / or ids software violates one
> > of the main premises of coding securely [re: cheswick / bellovin / comer
> > / farmer / venema / etc...
>
> Sorry; I tried to follow your posting, but found it a bit obscure.
>
> Is there a succinct version of the point you were making?
>
> (Hopefully, one or two sentences?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antony.

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Re: TTL target

[Alistair Tonner]

On July 23, 2004 05:41 pm, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 23 July 2004 10:03 pm, Hudson Delbert J Contr 61 CS/SCBN wrote:
> > no...is that short enough
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antony.
>

	Antony:
	   You do a great job around here.  Thanks.  Some folks are not, apparently, 
aware of the work and time you put in.

	Might I suggest, however, not feeding the troll.

	*grin*

	Alistair

Re: TTL target

[Jeffrey Laramie]

On Friday 23 July 2004 17:03, Hudson Delbert J Contr 61 CS/SCBN wrote:
> no...is that short enough

OK, let's recap:

1) You hijack a guys thread about the TTL target and give a diatribe about 
security policy (I'm guessing since the posting is actually incoherent)

2) You top post your messages.

3) You mention topics that have little to do with netfilter and give no 
explanation what the connection is to that thread or any other thread as far 
as I can tell.

4) You give a smartass answer to one the brightest and most helpful (not to 
mention tolerant) members of this list.

Here in DC we have a saying that fits this situation: "It's time to break the 
crack pipe." Here on the netfilter list we have another saying: "Stay on 
topic and please don't top post or hijack threads."

Jeff

[OT] Re: TTL target

[Cedric Blancher]

Le sam 24/07/2004 à 00:14, Jeffrey Laramie a écrit :
> 4) You give a smartass answer to one the brightest and most helpful (not to 
> mention tolerant) members of this list.

<Metoo completely out of topic stuff>
Agree.
It's been a while since I subscribed this list, and I am still amazed by
the time Antony takes to answer questions on this list and the constant
and fantastic patience he shows everyday. He definitly earns a medal or
some distinction ;)
</Metoo completely out of topic stuff>

And for the ongoing thread : one should not feed the troll and not even
consider jerks' posts.


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Re: [OT] Re: TTL target

[Askar Ali Khan]

<agreed>
                100 % marks for Antony :D
</agreed>

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:34:12 +0200, Cedric Blancher
<blancher@cartel-securite.fr> wrote:
> Le sam 24/07/2004 à 00:14, Jeffrey Laramie a écrit :
> > 4) You give a smartass answer to one the brightest and most helpful (not to
> > mention tolerant) members of this list.
> 
> <Metoo completely out of topic stuff>
> Agree.
> It's been a while since I subscribed this list, and I am still amazed by
> the time Antony takes to answer questions on this list and the constant
> and fantastic patience he shows everyday. He definitly earns a medal or
> some distinction ;)
> </Metoo completely out of topic stuff>
> 
> And for the ongoing thread : one should not feed the troll and not even
> consider jerks' posts.
> 
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Re: [OT] Re: TTL target

[Jeffrey Laramie]

> And for the ongoing thread : one should not feed the troll and not even
> consider jerks' posts.

You're right of course. I have a low tolerance for nonsense and it hit a raw 
nerve.  :-/

Jeff