Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Yu Ke]

Hi,

As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, 
i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). It is a graphical image creator that 
allows user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. 
The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more 
detail.

This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our 
first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan 
to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and 
provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement 
is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable input.

Best Regards
Ke

Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
# touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
# bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf

Where conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf is the configuration file, 
which can be empty in above case.

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Joshua Lock]

On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 08:36 -0600, Yu, Ke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, 
> i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). 

It's not an acronym, it's just a name - Hob.

> It is a graphical image creator that 
> allows user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. 
> The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more 
> detail.

I'll be changing this page and adding more user-centric info in the
coming weeks.

> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our 
> first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan 
> to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and 
> provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement 
> is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
> 
> Best Regards
> Ke
> 
> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
> # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf

In oe-core (and therefore Poky) we have a wrapper script so from an
oe-init-build-env'd build directory you can just call hob.

The script will create the required configuration files with some
required values.

Regards,
Joshua
-- 
Joshua Lock
        Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
        Intel Open Source Technology Centre

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Koen Kooi]

Op 30 sep. 2011 om 10:49 heeft Joshua Lock <josh@linux.intel.com> het volgende geschreven:

> On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 08:36 -0600, Yu, Ke wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, 
>> i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). 
> 
> It's not an acronym, it's just a name - Hob.
> 
>> It is a graphical image creator that 
>> allows user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. 
>> The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more 
>> detail.
> 
> I'll be changing this page and adding more user-centric info in the
> coming weeks.
> 
>> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our 
>> first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan 
>> to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and 
>> provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement 
>> is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Ke
>> 
>> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
>> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
>> # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
> 
> In oe-core (and therefore Poky) we have a wrapper script so from an
> oe-init-build-env'd build directory you can just call hob.
> 
> The script will create the required configuration files with some
> required values.

Can we have it use local.conf by default please? I hate having to put the same info in multiple places


> 
> Regards,
> Joshua
> -- 
> Joshua Lock
>        Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
>        Intel Open Source Technology Centre
> 
> 
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Re: [bitbake-devel] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Joshua Lock]

On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 11:32 -0500, Koen Kooi wrote:
> 
> Op 30 sep. 2011 om 10:49 heeft Joshua Lock <josh@linux.intel.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> > On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 08:36 -0600, Yu, Ke wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, 
> >> i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). 
> > 
> > It's not an acronym, it's just a name - Hob.
> > 
> >> It is a graphical image creator that 
> >> allows user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. 
> >> The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more 
> >> detail.
> > 
> > I'll be changing this page and adding more user-centric info in the
> > coming weeks.
> > 
> >> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our 
> >> first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan 
> >> to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and 
> >> provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement 
> >> is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
> >> 
> >> Best Regards
> >> Ke
> >> 
> >> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> >> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
> >> # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
> > 
> > In oe-core (and therefore Poky) we have a wrapper script so from an
> > oe-init-build-env'd build directory you can just call hob.
> > 
> > The script will create the required configuration files with some
> > required values.
> 
> Can we have it use local.conf by default please? I hate having to put the same info in multiple places

We do use local.conf in that if values are set there and not in either
of the hob configuration files the values from local.conf are used
however I had an explicit feature request to not modify local.conf.

I actually started looking at having Hob use an independent
configuration file so that Hob settings would persist across build
directories, this didn't make it in the 1.1 time frame unfortunately.

Cheers,
Joshua
-- 
Joshua Lock
        Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
        Intel Open Source Technology Centre

Re: [bitbake-devel] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Koen Kooi]

Op 30 sep. 2011 om 12:16 heeft Joshua Lock <josh@linux.intel.com> het volgende geschreven:

> On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 11:32 -0500, Koen Kooi wrote:
>> 
>> Op 30 sep. 2011 om 10:49 heeft Joshua Lock <josh@linux.intel.com> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 08:36 -0600, Yu, Ke wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, 
>>>> i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). 
>>> 
>>> It's not an acronym, it's just a name - Hob.
>>> 
>>>> It is a graphical image creator that 
>>>> allows user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. 
>>>> The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more 
>>>> detail.
>>> 
>>> I'll be changing this page and adding more user-centric info in the
>>> coming weeks.
>>> 
>>>> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our 
>>>> first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan 
>>>> to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and 
>>>> provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement 
>>>> is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Ke
>>>> 
>>>> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
>>>> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
>>>> # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
>>> 
>>> In oe-core (and therefore Poky) we have a wrapper script so from an
>>> oe-init-build-env'd build directory you can just call hob.
>>> 
>>> The script will create the required configuration files with some
>>> required values.
>> 
>> Can we have it use local.conf by default please? I hate having to put the same info in multiple places
> 
> We do use local.conf in that if values are set there and not in either
> of the hob configuration files the values from local.conf are used
> however I had an explicit feature request to not modify local.conf.
> 

In the past it would ignore DISTRO, leading to much headscratching


> I actually started looking at having Hob use an independent
> configuration file so that Hob settings would persist across build
> directories, this didn't make it in the 1.1 time frame unfortunately.
> 
> Cheers,
> Joshua
> -- 
> Joshua Lock
>        Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
>        Intel Open Source Technology Centre
> 

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Yu, Ke]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Koen Kooi [mailto:koen@dominion.thruhere.net]
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:33 AM
> To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer
> Cc: Yu, Ke; bitbake-devel@lists.openembedded.org; openembedded-core
> Subject: Re: [OE-core] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)
> 
> 
> 
> Op 30 sep. 2011 om 10:49 heeft Joshua Lock <josh@linux.intel.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> > On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 08:36 -0600, Yu, Ke wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake
> >> recently, i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder).
> >
> > It's not an acronym, it's just a name - Hob.
> >
> >> It is a graphical image creator that allows user to freely choose
> >> which packages to be built in the image.
> >> The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more
> >> detail.
> >
> > I'll be changing this page and adding more user-centric info in the
> > coming weeks.
> >
> >> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our
> >> first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the
> >> plan to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use
> >> it and provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's
> >> feedback/requirement is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable
> input.
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Ke
> >>
> >> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> >> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf # bitbake -u hob -r
> >> conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
> >
> > In oe-core (and therefore Poky) we have a wrapper script so from an
> > oe-init-build-env'd build directory you can just call hob.
> >
> > The script will create the required configuration files with some
> > required values.
> 
> Can we have it use local.conf by default please? I hate having to put the same
> info in multiple places

Yes, this is valid. We should be able to use local.conf as pre and post conf file, if they are not specified by user. Thanks for the input. I will add it to my plan.

Regards
Ke

Re: [bitbake-devel] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[McClintock Matthew-B29882]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Yu Ke <ke.yu@intel.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, i.e.
> HOB (Human Oriented Builder). It is a graphical image creator that allows
> user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. The wiki
> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more detail.
>
> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our first
> version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan to enhance
> it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and provide your
> valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement is the right way
> to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
>
> Best Regards
> Ke
>
> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
> # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
>
> Where conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf is the configuration file, which
> can be empty in above case.

Has any discussion gone into making some sort of plugin or extensions?
I'd like for it to be as easy as possible for someone new to make hob
be able to some things like: configure runtime services, configure
networking settings, add users, and I'm sure there are other things.

-M

Re: [bitbake-devel] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[McClintock Matthew-B29882]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Joshua Lock <joshua.lock@intel.com> wrote:
> No such discussion has occurred. These are good feature suggestions,
> though I'm not sure about a plugin mechanism - are you suggesting that
> to enable the features mentioned or in addition to?
> At least for enabling runtime services there's likely an issue of the
> GUI having enough knowledge of the init system to do so.

I'd just like to be able to make these extensions/add-ons while not
being familiar with bitbake internals. Maybe by INHERIT'ing bbclasses?
It just seems like adding some configuration pane for configuring ip
addresses should be as easy and possible.

> I can certainly see at least the three features proposed here being
> desirable and I'll probably file those as feature enhancements in the
> bugzilla, unless you'd like to?
>
> Any further thoughts on customisations to enable via the GUI?

I can file some enhancement bugs. We are actually brainstorming this
as I type this so I'm sure some more things will come up ;)

-M

Re: [bitbake-devel] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Joshua Lock]

On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 10:20 -0600, McClintock Matthew-B29882 wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Yu Ke <ke.yu@intel.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, i.e.
> > HOB (Human Oriented Builder). It is a graphical image creator that allows
> > user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. The wiki
> > https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob  has more detail.
> >
> > This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our first
> > version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan to enhance
> > it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and provide your
> > valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement is the right way
> > to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Ke
> >
> > Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> > # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
> > # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
> >
> > Where conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf is the configuration file, which
> > can be empty in above case.
> 
> Has any discussion gone into making some sort of plugin or extensions?
> I'd like for it to be as easy as possible for someone new to make hob
> be able to some things like: configure runtime services, configure
> networking settings, add users, and I'm sure there are other things.

No such discussion has occurred. These are good feature suggestions,
I'm not sure about a plugin mechanism - are you suggesting that
to enable the features mentioned or in addition to?
At least for enabling runtime services there's likely an issue of the
UI having enough knowledge of the init system to do so.
        
I can certainly see at least the three features proposed here being
desirable and I'll probably file those as feature enhancements in the
bugzilla, unless you'd like to?
        
Any further thoughts on customisations to enable via the GUI?
        
Cheers,
Joshua
-- 
Joshua Lock
        Yocto Project "Johannes factotum"
        Intel Open Source Technology Centre

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Gary Thomas]

On 2011-09-30 08:36, Yu Ke wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently, i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). It is a graphical image creator that allows user to freely choose which
> packages to be built in the image. The wiki https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob has more detail.
>
> This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan to enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we
> really hope that you can use it and provide your valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement is the right way to go. Looking forward your valuable input.
>
> Best Regards
> Ke
>
> Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf
> # bitbake -u hob -r conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
>
> Where conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf is the configuration file, which can be empty in above case.

I build images which are not based on any of the core-XXX images listed by HOB.
How can I get them into the drop-down base list?
Is there a way I can filter out some of the base images?  tasks?

I ask these questions because in particular, I use a lot of the recipes in meta
and meta-yocto, but none of the images or tasks (because they don't really address
my needs, don't take offense, I just want more control than they offer)

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
Gary Thomas                 |  Consulting for the
MLB Associates              |    Embedded world
------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Yu, Ke]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Thomas [mailto:gary@mlbassoc.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:56 AM
> To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer
> Cc: Yu, Ke; bitbake-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Lock, Joshua
> Subject: Re: [OE-core] Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)
> 
> On 2011-09-30 08:36, Yu Ke wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you may already know, a new GUI has been added to bitbake recently,
> > i.e. HOB (Human Oriented Builder). It is a graphical image creator that allows
> user to freely choose which packages to be built in the image. The wiki
> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/BitBake/GUI/Hob has more detail.
> >
> > This email is to collect your feedback on the HOB. Current HOB is our
> > first version, and it surely has many place to improve. We has the plan to
> enhance it in Yocto 1.2. So we really hope that you can use it and provide your
> valuable feedback . We do think user's feedback/requirement is the right way to
> go. Looking forward your valuable input.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Ke
> >
> > Ps. The simple way to run hob is:
> > # touch conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf # bitbake -u hob -r
> > conf/hob-pre.conf -R conf/hob-post.conf
> >
> > Where conf/hob-pre.conf conf/hob-post.conf is the configuration file, which
> can be empty in above case.
> 
> I build images which are not based on any of the core-XXX images listed by HOB.
> How can I get them into the drop-down base list?
> Is there a way I can filter out some of the base images?  tasks?

Gary, thanks for trying and giving out the input. It is helpful.

For the base image list, HOB generate it by searching all the task whose name containing "image", and we plan to improve it in Yocto 1.2 by searching task who inherits image.bbclass.  

So currently, if you name your own image with XXX-image, HOB should be able to automatically add it in the drop-down list.

And yes, it is helpful to allow user adding item into base image list. it can be done by adding one item in "Edit"->"Preference". I will add this requirement to my plan. For base image filtering, I am not sure if it is necessary, since base image list is not that long. How do you think?

Regards
Ke

> 
> I ask these questions because in particular, I use a lot of the recipes in meta and
> meta-yocto, but none of the images or tasks (because they don't really address
> my needs, don't take offense, I just want more control than they offer)
> 
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Gary Thomas                 |  Consulting for the
> MLB Associates              |    Embedded world
> ------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Otavio Salvador]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:23, Yu, Ke <ke.yu@intel.com> wrote:
...
> So currently, if you name your own image with XXX-image, HOB should be able to automatically add it in the drop-down list.
>
> And yes, it is helpful to allow user adding item into base image list. it can be done by adding one item in "Edit"->"Preference". I will add this requirement to my plan. For base image filtering, I am not sure if it is necessary, since base image list is not that long. How do you think?
...

It would be nice to have a way to filter out images too. In case we're
customizing oe-core to a customer we might want to reduce the options
to avoid unsupported images to be built.

-- 
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E-mail: otavio@ossystems.com.br  http://www.ossystems.com.br
Mobile: +55 53 9981-7854              http://projetos.ossystems.com.br

Re: Feedback on HOB (new image creator GUI)

[Koen Kooi]

Op 1 okt. 2011 om 12:46 heeft Otavio Salvador <otavio@ossystems.com.br> het volgende geschreven:

> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:23, Yu, Ke <ke.yu@intel.com> wrote:
> ...
>> So currently, if you name your own image with XXX-image, HOB should be able to automatically add it in the drop-down list.
>> 
>> And yes, it is helpful to allow user adding item into base image list. it can be done by adding one item in "Edit"->"Preference". I will add this requirement to my plan. For base image filtering, I am not sure if it is necessary, since base image list is not that long. How do you think?
> ...
> 
> It would be nice to have a way to filter out images too. In case we're
> customizing oe-core to a customer we might want to reduce the options
> to avoid unsupported images to be built.

Like a whitelist regexp on hob.conf


> 
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