* Space optimizations in kirkstone and scarthgap for sstate objects @ 2024-11-21 10:41 Richard Purdie 2024-11-21 11:00 ` [OE-core] " Mikko Rapeli 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Richard Purdie @ 2024-11-21 10:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Halstead, Steve Sakoman, openembedded-core We've been trying to resolve some of our sstate CDN issues and one thing causing us big headaches are large sstate files. By far the worst offenders are webkitgtk and llvm. In master (and in styhead) we have these: https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=d9066258a1e48e75cf814fb0940ac420bcdd6e99 https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=aca8acceb87e568115da9696732e915d91da9652 https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1d8d9b1f87b21af36d9c328132f71c528eefd5b0 which did significantly reduce the size of the output. Unfortunately I made the first two work with changes to DEBUG_LEVELFLAG which are not suited for backporting: https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1cf0974ad242f7eb2815a4ef0e3e5b6507ca56ea https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=ae4ec59b3eff85aaa1cfe914a134e56e1d125744 I do think we should apply a similar tweak to kirkstone and scarthgap though. The third patch above shouldbackport. We should be able to do something equivalent for llvm. Any thoughts? Michael obtained some sstate size info which I've shared below. You can tell the age by the sstate version number (10, 12 and 14 are kirkstone, scarthgap and styhead/master) and the recipe versions. 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* Re: [OE-core] Space optimizations in kirkstone and scarthgap for sstate objects 2024-11-21 10:41 Space optimizations in kirkstone and scarthgap for sstate objects Richard Purdie @ 2024-11-21 11:00 ` Mikko Rapeli 2024-11-21 11:10 ` Richard Purdie 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Mikko Rapeli @ 2024-11-21 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: richard.purdie; +Cc: Michael Halstead, Steve Sakoman, openembedded-core Hi, On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:41:29AM +0000, Richard Purdie via lists.openembedded.org wrote: > We've been trying to resolve some of our sstate CDN issues and one > thing causing us big headaches are large sstate files. By far the worst > offenders are webkitgtk and llvm. > > In master (and in styhead) we have these: > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=d9066258a1e48e75cf814fb0940ac420bcdd6e99 > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=aca8acceb87e568115da9696732e915d91da9652 > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1d8d9b1f87b21af36d9c328132f71c528eefd5b0 > > which did significantly reduce the size of the output. Unfortunately I > made the first two work with changes to DEBUG_LEVELFLAG which are not > suited for backporting: > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1cf0974ad242f7eb2815a4ef0e3e5b6507ca56ea > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=ae4ec59b3eff85aaa1cfe914a134e56e1d125744 > > I do think we should apply a similar tweak to kirkstone and scarthgap > though. The third patch above shouldbackport. We should be able to do > something equivalent for llvm. Any thoughts? > > Michael obtained some sstate size info which I've shared below. You can > tell the age by the sstate version number (10, 12 and 14 are kirkstone, > scarthgap and styhead/master) and the recipe versions. Can similar changes be done via the CI build scripts in the affected branches, without modifying poky? I would not mind breaking stable rules when it's about keeping upstream infrastructure sane and running. Details can be documented to users if they are impacted and need to revert those changes in their configuration. Would be nice to know what kind of issues these are in detail and what is the CDN implementation. Cheers, -Mikko ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] Space optimizations in kirkstone and scarthgap for sstate objects 2024-11-21 11:00 ` [OE-core] " Mikko Rapeli @ 2024-11-21 11:10 ` Richard Purdie 2024-11-21 11:22 ` Mikko Rapeli 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Richard Purdie @ 2024-11-21 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mikko Rapeli; +Cc: Michael Halstead, Steve Sakoman, openembedded-core On Thu, 2024-11-21 at 13:00 +0200, Mikko Rapeli wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:41:29AM +0000, Richard Purdie via lists.openembedded.org wrote: > > We've been trying to resolve some of our sstate CDN issues and one > > thing causing us big headaches are large sstate files. By far the worst > > offenders are webkitgtk and llvm. > > > > In master (and in styhead) we have these: > > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=d9066258a1e48e75cf814fb0940ac420bcdd6e99 > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=aca8acceb87e568115da9696732e915d91da9652 > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1d8d9b1f87b21af36d9c328132f71c528eefd5b0 > > > > which did significantly reduce the size of the output. Unfortunately I > > made the first two work with changes to DEBUG_LEVELFLAG which are not > > suited for backporting: > > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1cf0974ad242f7eb2815a4ef0e3e5b6507ca56ea > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=ae4ec59b3eff85aaa1cfe914a134e56e1d125744 > > > > I do think we should apply a similar tweak to kirkstone and scarthgap > > though. The third patch above shouldbackport. We should be able to do > > something equivalent for llvm. Any thoughts? > > > > Michael obtained some sstate size info which I've shared below. You can > > tell the age by the sstate version number (10, 12 and 14 are kirkstone, > > scarthgap and styhead/master) and the recipe versions. > > Can similar changes be done via the CI build scripts in the affected branches, > without modifying poky? In theory, yes. I'm not sure we want to "hide" this kind of change though. > I would not mind breaking stable rules when it's about keeping upstream > infrastructure sane and running. Details can be documented to users if they > are impacted and need to revert those changes in their configuration. If we do make a change, users would easily be able to reverse it locally if needed. > Would be nice to know what kind of issues these are in detail and what is the CDN > implementation. Most CDNs have object size limits so the setup cascades through different levels of completely different systems to cope with our large object sizes. The CDNs themselves are not designed for large objects either, in their view we should split these into multiple smaller objects. That isn't really possible without rewriting the way bitbake works with sstate. Objects are only pulled into the CDN at first request too, the larger the objects, the longer this takes. The setup has changed a bit as we've tried to work out how we can make it work. One issue was the size of the "pipe" between our servers and the CDN nodes. The new infrastructure/data centre location has resolved that potential bottleneck. Cheers, Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [OE-core] Space optimizations in kirkstone and scarthgap for sstate objects 2024-11-21 11:10 ` Richard Purdie @ 2024-11-21 11:22 ` Mikko Rapeli 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Mikko Rapeli @ 2024-11-21 11:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard Purdie; +Cc: Michael Halstead, Steve Sakoman, openembedded-core Hi, On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 11:10:11AM +0000, Richard Purdie wrote: > On Thu, 2024-11-21 at 13:00 +0200, Mikko Rapeli wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:41:29AM +0000, Richard Purdie via lists.openembedded.org wrote: > > > We've been trying to resolve some of our sstate CDN issues and one > > > thing causing us big headaches are large sstate files. By far the worst > > > offenders are webkitgtk and llvm. > > > > > > In master (and in styhead) we have these: > > > > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=d9066258a1e48e75cf814fb0940ac420bcdd6e99 > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=aca8acceb87e568115da9696732e915d91da9652 > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1d8d9b1f87b21af36d9c328132f71c528eefd5b0 > > > > > > which did significantly reduce the size of the output. Unfortunately I > > > made the first two work with changes to DEBUG_LEVELFLAG which are not > > > suited for backporting: > > > > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=1cf0974ad242f7eb2815a4ef0e3e5b6507ca56ea > > > https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?id=ae4ec59b3eff85aaa1cfe914a134e56e1d125744 > > > > > > I do think we should apply a similar tweak to kirkstone and scarthgap > > > though. The third patch above shouldbackport. We should be able to do > > > something equivalent for llvm. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Michael obtained some sstate size info which I've shared below. You can > > > tell the age by the sstate version number (10, 12 and 14 are kirkstone, > > > scarthgap and styhead/master) and the recipe versions. > > > > Can similar changes be done via the CI build scripts in the affected branches, > > without modifying poky? > > In theory, yes. I'm not sure we want to "hide" this kind of change > though. I understand, just wanted to show this as an option. Changes which are specific to your infrastructure and which break stable rules could be considered as specific to the CI build jobs you run, hence not hiding but keeping such changes in CI scripts, which generate the build configurations and matrixes and the local.conf's. > > I would not mind breaking stable rules when it's about keeping upstream > > infrastructure sane and running. Details can be documented to users if they > > are impacted and need to revert those changes in their configuration. > > If we do make a change, users would easily be able to reverse it > locally if needed. > > > Would be nice to know what kind of issues these are in detail and what is the CDN > > implementation. > > Most CDNs have object size limits so the setup cascades through > different levels of completely different systems to cope with our large > object sizes.�The CDNs themselves are not designed for large objects > either, in their view we should split these into multiple smaller > objects. That isn't really possible without rewriting the way bitbake > works with sstate. > > Objects are only pulled into the CDN at first request too, the larger > the objects, the longer this takes. The setup has changed a bit as > we've tried to work out how we can make it work. One issue was the size > of the "pipe" between our servers and the CDN nodes. The new > infrastructure/data centre location has resolved that potential > bottleneck. I've used "rsync sstate mirror from main server before build" as CDN which did not break but underlying VMware virtual storage did break under heavy bitbake load. Cheers, -Mikko ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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