From: Yubin Ruan <ablacktshirt@gmail.com>
To: perfbook@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: The weird re-ordering issue of the Alpha arch'
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 22:26:05 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170429142605.GC2536@master> (raw)
Hi,
Remember a few weeks ago we discussed about the weird re-ordering issue of the
Alpha arch', which is mentioned in Appendix.B in the perfbook? I got really
confused at that moment. Paul gave me a reference to a SGI webpage(an email
discussion actually), but that wasn't so understandable. Today I found a few
words from Kourosh Gharachorloo[1], which are very instructional for me:
For Alpha processors, the anomalous behavior is currently only possible on a
21264-based system. And obviously you have to be using one of our
multiprocessor servers. Finally, the chances that you actually see it are very
low, yet it is possible.
Here is what has to happen for this behavior to show up. Assume T1 runs on P1
and T2 on P2. P2 has to be caching location y with value 0. P1 does y=1 which
causes an "invalidate y" to be sent to P2. This invalidate goes into the
incoming "probe queue" of P2; as you will see, the problem arises because
this invalidate could theoretically sit in the probe queue without doing an
MB on P2. The invalidate is acknowledged right away at this point (i.e., you
don't wait for it to actually invalidate the copy in P2's cache before
sending the acknowledgment). Therefore, P1 can go through its MB. And it
proceeds to do the write to p. Now P2 proceeds to read p. The reply for read
p is allowed to bypass the probe queue on P2 on its incoming path (this allow
s replies/data to get back to the 21264 quickly without needing to wait for
previous incoming probes to be serviced). Now, P2 can derefence P to read the
old value of y that is sitting in its cache (the inval y in P2's probe queue
is still sitting there).
How does an MB on P2 fix this? The 21264 flushes its incoming probe queue
(i.e., services any pending messages in there) at every MB. Hence, after the
read of P, you do an MB which pulls in the inval to y for sure. And you can
no longer see the old cached value for y.
Even though the above scenario is theoretically possible, the chances of
observing a problem due to it are extremely minute. The reason is that even
if you setup the caching properly, P2 will likely have ample opportunity to
service the messages (i.e., inval) in its probe queue before it receives the
data reply for "read p". Nonetheless, if you get into a situation where you
have placed many things in P2's probe queue ahead of the inval to y, then it
is possible that the reply to p comes back and bypasses this inval. It would
be difficult for you to set up the scenario though and actually observe the
anomaly.
The above addresses how current Alpha's may violate what you have shown.
Future Alpha's can violate it due to other optimizations. One interesting
optimization is value prediction.
What I want to say is that next time you update the perfbook, you can take a few
words from it. I mean, you can adopt the same schema like "Assume T1 runs on P1
and T2 on P2. P2 has to be caching location y with value 0....". That would make
the perfbook more understandable :)
Regards,
Yubin
[1]: https://www.cs.umd.edu/~pugh/java/memoryModel/AlphaReordering.html
next reply other threads:[~2017-04-29 14:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-04-29 14:26 Yubin Ruan [this message]
2017-05-01 15:58 ` The weird re-ordering issue of the Alpha arch' Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 13:25 ` Yubin Ruan
2017-05-08 15:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-09 11:08 ` Yubin Ruan
2017-05-09 4:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-09 15:58 ` Yubin Ruan
2017-05-09 9:03 ` Junchang Wang
2017-05-09 14:45 ` Yubin Ruan
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