From: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
To: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
"Lorenzo Delgado" <lnsdev@proton.me>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
"Thorsten Blum" <blum@kernel.org>,
"Francis Laniel" <laniel_francis@npnm.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] rust: non_empty: add NonEmpty
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2026 15:02:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM5GU8594ZLL.2VNTOLDKDU2MD@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM5F615QE0QH.MV46NZSC3TR0@nvidia.com>
On Thu Oct 15, 2026 at 1:43 PM BST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> On Wed Oct 14, 2026 at 11:25 PM JST, Gary Guo wrote:
>> On Wed Oct 14, 2026 at 12:55 PM BST, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 10:30 AM Lorenzo Delgado <lnsdev@proton.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +/// A container that can report whether it holds any element.
>>>> +///
>>>> +/// The result must not change while the container is only reachable through a shared reference.
>>>> +///
>>>> +/// Unsafe code may only rely on the result for a container type whose implementation it trusts,
>>>> +/// such as the ones in this module, since a safe implementation can return anything.
>>>> +pub trait IsEmpty {
>>>> + /// Returns `true` if the container holds no element.
>>>> + fn is_empty(&self) -> bool;
>>>> +}
>>>
>>> Do we need this to be a safe trait? If it is unsafe, then we can
>>> simplify the invariant and more easily think about the type, like
>>> other `Non*`s, no?
>>
>> I think in this case the meaning of "empty" depends on the container itself.
>> Unsafe code that relies on "is_empty" would be the `NonEmpty<Container>` itself,
>> so it just needs to trust itself (as boundary of unsafe is module level).
>>
>> I think of almost all of the text above can be removed. The invariant of
>> `NonEmpty` can just be "`IsEmpty::is_empty` has returned true" and how it is
>> interpreted is up to the container type.
>
> Is `IsEmpty` actually useful? It needs to be implemented for every
> container we want to wrap with essentially the same boilerplate code,
> which looks a bit overkill to me. Couldn't we just do:
>
> impl<T, C: Deref<Target = [T]>> NonEmpty<C>
Slice does not dereference to a slice, and arrays doesn't dereference to slices
either.
Best,
Gary
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-15 14:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-14 8:30 [PATCH v3 0/2] rust: add NonEmpty Lorenzo Delgado
2026-10-14 8:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] rust: non_empty: " Lorenzo Delgado
2026-10-14 11:55 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-10-14 14:25 ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 12:43 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-15 14:02 ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-10-15 14:33 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-15 14:08 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-10-14 8:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] rust: uaccess: use NonEmpty in strcpy_into_buf() Lorenzo Delgado
2026-10-15 13:06 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-15 14:04 ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 12:57 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] rust: add NonEmpty Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-15 14:08 ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 14:11 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-10-15 14:35 ` Alexandre Courbot
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