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From: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, stefanha@redhat.com,
	oren@nvidia.com, parav@nvidia.com, shahafs@nvidia.com,
	eperezma@redhat.com, aadam@redhat.com, bodong@nvidia.com,
	amikheev@nvidia.com
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 10:55:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a0d0db2-c3d5-ff49-a659-e7b3264fb07a@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v94nyqai.fsf@redhat.com>


On 8/3/2021 9:51 AM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 03 2021, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> 在 2021/8/3 下午2:28, Cornelia Huck 写道:
>>> On Mon, Aug 02 2021, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 02, 2021 at 07:03:11PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
>>>>> There is no much bits left in the generic feature field for all the features
>>>>> we would like to add.
>>>>> I mentioned only 5-6 in the above example and it will bring us to bit 46
>>>>> already.
>>>>>
>>>>> please think of 5-10 years from today.
>>>>>
>>>> IIUC nothing prevents adding more once we exhaust 64 bits. IMHO it's actually
>>>> pretty important to make sure the feature negotiation works well
>>>> and covers relevant usecases. If we have limitations preventing that
>>>> I'd like to at least try to fix that not replacing feature negotiation with
>>>> something else.
>>> I recall that we had a discussion about that years ago when we
>>> introduced VERSION_1; we explicitly agreed that we can extend features
>>> beyond 64 bit once we need it. (A quick search did not turn up that mail
>>> exchange, though.)
>>>
>> E.g PCI transport has feature_select.
>>
>>           le32 device_feature_select;     /* read-write */
>>           le32 device_feature;            /* read-only for driver */
>>           le32 driver_feature_select;     /* read-write */
>>           le32 driver_feature;            /* read-write */
>>
>> Technically it can support 32*32 different features.
> MMIO uses a similar scheme; CCW uses
>
> struct virtio_feature_desc {
>         le32 features;
>         u8 index;
> };
>
> so there's plenty of room to spare.

Feature negotiation can be done in admin q level. You don't want this 
branches in the spec per each transport or device type.

We have an admin command to get all device admin q features and we can 
create a command to set all the driver supported.

Again, I don't see the point of doing that. If a device is supporting 
command_A, the driver should be able to use it. Telling the device "hi, 
I'm going to use command_A in the future" is redundant.

The device knows already how to handle it.


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-03  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-26 16:52 [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-26 16:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] virtio-blk: add support for VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-27 12:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 16:08     ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-28  8:25       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 10:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 14:28   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-27 15:29     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-28  8:52       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-28 10:59         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-28 13:42           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-28 14:20             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-29  8:48               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-01 10:46                 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 12:58                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-28 12:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-30  6:45         ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-28 12:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-29 14:51   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-30  7:05     ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-31 11:34       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-31 22:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-31 22:53           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-01  8:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-01  8:38               ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02  2:17             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-02  2:19               ` Jason Wang
2021-08-02  9:54               ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 14:51                 ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-02 15:27                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 17:28                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-03  3:39                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03  8:32                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-03  9:01                         ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03  9:21                           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-03 10:04                             ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2021-07-30  7:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-31 11:53       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-31 22:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-31 23:46           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 13:22             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-02 14:34               ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-02 14:58                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 16:39                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-02 15:21             ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-02 16:03               ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 17:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-03  6:28                   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-03  6:41                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03  6:51                       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-03  7:55                         ` Max Gurtovoy [this message]
2021-08-03  8:55                           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-08-03  9:04                             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02  2:25   ` Jason Wang
2021-08-02  9:51     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 17:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-03  3:22       ` Jason Wang

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