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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, mst@redhat.com,
	jasowang@redhat.com, oren@nvidia.com, parav@nvidia.com,
	shahafs@nvidia.com, eperezma@redhat.com, aadam@redhat.com,
	bodong@nvidia.com, amikheev@nvidia.com
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:28:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87im0v4yrj.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YP/ffFbeJpDJ3sTG@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Tue, Jul 27 2021, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 07:52:53PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
>> Admin virtqueues will be used to send administrative commands to
>> manipulate various features of the device which would not easily map
>> into the configuration space.
>> 
>> The same Admin command format will be used for all virtio devices. The
>> Admin command set will include 4 types of command classes:
>> 1. The generic common class
>> 2. The transport specific class
>> 3. The device specific class
>> 4. The vendor specific class
>> 
>> The above mechanism will enable adding various features to the virtio
>> specification, e.g.:
>> 1. Format virtio-blk devices in various configurations (512B block size,
>>    512B + 8B T10-DIF, 4K block size, 4k + 8B T10-DIF, etc..).
>> 2. Live migration management.
>> 3. Encrypt/Decrypt descriptors.
>> 4. Virtualization management.
>> 5. Get device error logs.
>> 6. Implement advanced vendor/device/transport specific features.
>> 7. Run device health test.
>> 8. More.
>> 
>> As virtio evolves beyond the para-virt/sw-emulated world, it's mandatory
>> for the specification to become flexible and allow a wider feature set.
>> The corrent ctrl virtq that is defined for some of the virtio devices is
>> device specific and wasn't designed to be a generic virtq for
>> admininistration.
>> 
>> Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
>> ---
>>  admin-virtq.tex | 241 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  content.tex     |   4 +
>>  2 files changed, 245 insertions(+)
>>  create mode 100644 admin-virtq.tex
>> 
>> diff --git a/admin-virtq.tex b/admin-virtq.tex
>> new file mode 100644
>> index 0000000..ccec2ca
>> --- /dev/null
>> +++ b/admin-virtq.tex
>> @@ -0,0 +1,241 @@
>> +\section{Admin Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues}
>> +
>> +Admin virtqueues are used to send administrative commands to manipulate
>> +various features of the device which would not easily map into the
>> +configuration space.
>> +
>> +Use of Admin virtqueues is negotiated by the VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ
>> +feature bit.
>> +
>> +Admin virtqueue index may vary among different device types.
>> +
>> +All commands are of the following form:
>> +
>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>> +struct virtio_admin_cmd {
>> +        /* Device-readable part */
>> +        u8 class;
>> +        u8 command;
>> +        u8 command-specific-data[];
>> +
>> +        /* Device-writable part */
>> +        u8 command-specific-result[];
>> +        u8 status_type : 4;
>> +        u8 reserved : 4;
>> +        u8 status;
>> +};
>> +
>> +/* Status type values */
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_GENERIC               0
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_CLASS_SPECIFIC        1
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_COMMAND_SPECIFIC      2
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_TRANSPORT_SPECIFIC    3
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_DEVICE_SPECIFIC       4
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_TYPE_VENDOR_SPECIFIC       5
>> +
>> +/* Generic status values */
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_OK                     0
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_ERR                    1
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_INVALID_CLASS          2
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_INVALID_COMMAND        3
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_DATA_TRANSFER_ERR      4
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_GENERIC_DEVICE_INTERNAL_ERR    5
>> +\end{lstlisting}

This is very complex, and it feels like we're overengineering this.

>> +
>> +The \field{class}, \field{command} and \field{command-specific-data} are
>> +set by the driver, and the device sets the \field{status_type}, the
>> +\field{status} and  the \field{command-specific-result}, if needed.
>> +
>> +The virtio Admin command class codes are divided in the following form:
>> +
>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>> +/* class values that are transport, device and vendor independent */
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMON_CLASS_START    0
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_COMMON_CLASS_END      63
>> +
>> +/* class values that are transport specific */
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_TRANSPORT_CLASS_START  64
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_TRANSPORT_CLASS_END    127
>> +
>> +/* class values that are device specific */
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_DEVICE_CLASS_START     128
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_DEVICE_CLASS_END       191
>> +
>> +/* class values that are vendor specific */
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_VENDOR_CLASS_START     192
>> +#define VIRTIO_ADMIN_VENDOR_CLASS_END       255
>> +\end{lstlisting}
>> +
>> +\subsection{Admin command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set}
>> +
>> +Each virtio device that advertise VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ feature, MUST
>
> "advertises the VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ feature"
>
>> +support all the mandatory admin commands. A device MAY support also
>> +one or more optional admin commands.
>> +
>> +\subsubsection{Common command set}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common command set}
>> +
>> +The Common command set is a group of classes and commands within each
>> +of these classes which are transport, device and vendor independent.
>> +A mandatory class is a class that has at least one mandatory command.
>> +The Common command set is summarized in following table:
>> +
>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>> +\hline
>> +Class  & Description    & M/O \\
>> +\hline \hline
>> +0  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE    & M \\
>> +\hline
>> +1  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE_CLASS_COMMANDS    & M \\
>> +\hline
>> +2-63  & reserved    & - \\
>> +\hline
>> +\end{tabular}
>> +
>> +\paragraph{Discover device class}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common command set / Discover device class}
>> +
>> +This class (opcode: 0) of commands is used to query generic device
>> +information. The following table describes the commands supported for
>> +this class:
>> +
>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>> +\hline
>> +Command  & Description    & M/O \\
>> +\hline \hline
>> +0  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE_IDENTITY    & M \\
>> +\hline
>> +1  & VIRTIO_ADMIN_DISCOVER_DEVICE_SUPPORTED_CLASSES    & M \\
>> +\hline
>> +2-255  & reserved    & - \\
>> +\hline
>> +\end{tabular}
>> +
>> +\subparagraph{Device identity command}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Admin Virtqueues / Admin command set / Common command set / Discover device class / Device identity command}
>> +
>> +This mandatory command should return device identity in the following
>> +structure:
>> +
>> +\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|}
>> +\hline
>> +Bytes  & Description    & M/O \\
>> +\hline \hline
>> +03:00  & VIRTIO DEVICE ID    & M \\
>> +\hline
>> +05:04  & VIRTIO TRANSPORT ID    & M \\
>
> These fields are not defined. I wonder why they are necessary - the
> driver should already have this information.

Agreed.

> In general, I'm a little concerned that this whole infrastructure will
> increase the complexity of VIRTIO significantly with little benefit. I
> do think an admin virtqueue makes sense, e.g. for migration, but would
> prefer it if we focus on actual commands first instead of
> infrastructure. That way it will be clear what infrastructure is needed.

A concrete example would be good, but I think we can come up with a
bare-bones spec to start with.

- feature bit for the admin vq, as defined here
- location of the admin vq is device specific
- I think we can get away with two classes, as for feature bits (not
  device specificic and device specific); I don't think we need separate
  classes for transport or vendor specific
- make the format for the request simple (command + length + payload?)

How many different (groups of) commands can we reasonably expect? Do we
need a generic discovery command, or can we get away with a feature bit
covering each new group of commands?


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-27 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-26 16:52 [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-26 16:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] virtio-blk: add support for VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-27 12:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 16:08     ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-28  8:25       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 10:27 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] Add virtio Admin Virtqueue specification Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-27 14:28   ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2021-07-27 15:29     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-28  8:52       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-28 10:59         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-28 13:42           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-28 14:20             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-29  8:48               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-01 10:46                 ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 12:58                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-28 12:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-30  6:45         ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-28 12:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-29 14:51   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-30  7:05     ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-07-31 11:34       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-31 22:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-31 22:53           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-01  8:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-01  8:38               ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02  2:17             ` Jason Wang
2021-08-02  2:19               ` Jason Wang
2021-08-02  9:54               ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 14:51                 ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-02 15:27                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 17:28                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-03  3:39                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03  8:32                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-03  9:01                         ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03  9:21                           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-03 10:04                             ` [virtio-comment] " Jason Wang
2021-07-30  7:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-31 11:53       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-07-31 22:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-07-31 23:46           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 13:22             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-02 14:34               ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-02 14:58                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 16:39                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-02 15:21             ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-02 16:03               ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 17:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-03  6:28                   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-03  6:41                     ` Jason Wang
2021-08-03  6:51                       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-08-03  7:55                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-03  8:55                           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-08-03  9:04                             ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02  2:25   ` Jason Wang
2021-08-02  9:51     ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-08-02 17:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-03  3:22       ` Jason Wang

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