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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@redhat.com, virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	eperezma@redhat.com, sgarzare@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH RFC] virtio: introduce VIRTIO_F_DEVICE_STOP
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:16:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210111191609.50fa58f7.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd36fe91-1dc0-6998-4e2a-0f9a8ae47bdf@redhat.com>

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 16:15:47 +0800
Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 2020/12/29 下午9:35, Halil Pasic wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 15:01:57 +0800
> > Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> Some part of the virtio has enforced an asynchronous interface during reset:
> >>
> >> For MMIO the spec said:
> >>
> >> """
> >>
> >> To stop using the queue the driver MUST write zero (0x0) to this
> >> QueueReady and MUST read the value back to ensure synchronization.
> >>
> >> """  
> > I read the MMIO quote like a single read is sufficient to ensure
> > synchronization. I.e. it does not require a loop which waits for
> > the read to yield the expected value.
> >  
> >> For PCI it said:
> >>
> >> """
> >>
> >> After writing 0 to device_status, the driver MUST wait for a read of
> >> device_status to return 0 before reinitializing the device.
> >>
> >> """  
> > Yes, this does sound like a loop. And that's what Linux does. But this
> > is transport (PCI) specific. On a spec level, a reset is a distinct
> > operation from setting device status (to 0).  
> 
> 
> I'm not sure or it looks unclear to me for this point.
> 
> E.g the device reset is mentioned in "Device Status Field" belongs to 
> "Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device". But there's no "Device Reset" in 
> "Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device".

I think it should be, just to make clear what a driver-initiated reset
of a device actually resets (and that the method for doing so is
transport-specific.)

> 
> 
> > It just happens to be
> > mapped to the PCI transport as setting the status to 0.  
> 
> 
> MMIO did the same. And it makes sense since using a single API to 
> configure/change device status looks simpler.
> 
> 
> >
> > For the channel IO transport it is mapped via CCW_CMD_VDEV_RESET while
> > setting the status is mapped via CCW_CMD_WRITE_STATUS.  
> 
> 
> Yes, but I think actually there's no limitation if we want to tread 0 as 
> a reset command for CCW_CMD_WRITE_STATUS.

I'm not a fan of the "driver writes 0 to status to initiate a device
reset" method, but we are stuck with it. I think it's actually not
working well with two other requirements in the spec:

- "The driver MUST NOT clear a device status bit."
- "The device MUST initialize device status to 0 upon reset." (This
  suggests to me that a zero status is something set by the device as
  the result of a reset request by the driver, and _not_ set by the
  driver.)

Also, treating CCW_CMD_WRITE_STATUS with 0 as a reset request would be
incompatible with older devices, wouldn't it?


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-11 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-18  4:23 [virtio-comment] [PATCH RFC] virtio: introduce VIRTIO_F_DEVICE_STOP Jason Wang
2020-12-18 10:15 ` [virtio-comment] " Stefano Garzarella
2020-12-21  3:08   ` Jason Wang
2020-12-21 11:06     ` Stefano Garzarella
2020-12-22  2:38       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-21 21:33 ` [virtio-comment] " Halil Pasic
2020-12-22  2:36   ` Jason Wang
2020-12-22  6:50     ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-22  7:30       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-22 12:14         ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-22 12:51           ` Jason Wang
2020-12-22 15:54             ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-23  2:48               ` Jason Wang
2020-12-25  7:38                 ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-27 10:00                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28  6:21                     ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-28  7:01                       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-28 12:30                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  9:04                           ` Jason Wang
2021-01-12 10:54                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-01-13  3:35                               ` Jason Wang
2020-12-29 13:35                         ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-30  8:15                           ` Jason Wang
2021-01-11 18:16                             ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2021-01-12  3:27                               ` Jason Wang
2021-01-12 12:13                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-13  2:52                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-01-14 12:00                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-28  6:47                   ` Jason Wang
2020-12-29 13:20                     ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-30  8:03                       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-24  4:52             ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-24  5:51               ` Jason Wang
2020-12-25  3:18                 ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-25  6:45                   ` Jason Wang
2020-12-27 11:12                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28  7:05                       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-28 12:27                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  8:57                           ` Jason Wang
2021-05-03  9:02 ` [virtio-comment] " Eugenio Perez Martin
2021-05-06  2:51   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-05 13:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-06  7:26   ` Jason Wang

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