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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
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	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
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Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH 1/2] virtio: introduce selective queue enabling
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:19:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230606151520-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB5481D1ACC60311CE48D622CFDC52A@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 06:04:32PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> Hi Eugenio,
> 
> > From: Eugenio Pérez <eperezma@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:55 PM
> > 
> > This patch allows the driver to start the device (as set DRIVER_OK) with only
> > some queues enabled, and then enable another queues later.
> > 
> > This is the current way to migrate net device state through control virtqueue, in
> > a software assisted framework with vDPA:
> > * First, only net CVQ is enabled at DRIVER_OK
> > * All the control commands (mac address, mq, etc) needed for the device to
> > behave the same as the source of migration are sent
> > * Finally all the dataplane queues are enabled.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Eugenio Pérez <eperezma@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  content.tex | 15 +++++++++++++--
> >  1 file changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > index d2ab9eb..ea4a6d8 100644
> > --- a/content.tex
> > +++ b/content.tex
> > @@ -99,10 +99,10 @@ \section{Feature Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a
> > Virtio Device / Feature B  \begin{description}
> >  \item[0 to 23, and 50 to 127] Feature bits for the specific device type
> > 
> > -\item[24 to 41] Feature bits reserved for extensions to the queue and
> > +\item[24 to 42] Feature bits reserved for extensions to the queue and
> >    feature negotiation mechanisms
> > 
> > -\item[42 to 49, and 128 and above] Feature bits reserved for future extensions.
> > +\item[43 to 49, and 128 and above] Feature bits reserved for future
> > extensions.
> >  \end{description}
> > 
> >  \begin{note}
> > @@ -398,6 +398,13 @@ \section{Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a
> > Virtio Device / Virtqueues}  Every driver and device supports either the Packed
> > or the Split  Virtqueue format, or both.
> > 
> > +\subsection{Virtqueue selective enabling}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of
> > +a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Selective Virtqueue Enable}
> > +
> > +If the driver negotiates VIRTIO\_F\_RING\_ENABLE\_ANYTIME, it can
> > +enable individual virtqueues both before and after the DRIVER\_OK. The
> > +way to enable a virtqueue is transport specific, but it mimics the
> > +re-enabling after an hypothetical reset.
> > +
> >  \subsection{Virtqueue Reset}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device /
> > Virtqueues / Virtqueue Reset}
> > 
> >  When VIRTIO_F_RING_RESET is negotiated, the driver can reset a virtqueue
> > @@ -870,6 +877,10 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature Bits}\label{sec:Reserved
> > Feature Bits}
> >  	\ref{devicenormative:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature Bits} for
> >  	handling features reserved for future use.
> > 
> > +  \item[VIRTIO_F_RING_ENABLE_ANYTIME(42)] This feature indicates  that
> > + the driver can enable a queue both before and after DRIVER\_OK.
> > +  See \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Selective
> > Virtqueue Enable}.
> > +
> 
> Can you please highlight, current spec normative which indicates that
> all queues must be enabled before DRIVER_OK and more queues cannot be
> enabled after DRIVER_OK?


This one:
\drivernormative{\subsection}{Device Initialization}{General Initialization And Device Operation / Device Initialization}

it does not say "all queues" if you want to split hairs but I think
assuming it's safe to enable queues later is dangerous.

E.g. vhost user backends tend to assume no new queues appear
after DRIVER_OK.

-- 
MST


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-06 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-06 17:55 [virtio-comment] [PATCH 0/2] Selective queue enabling Eugenio Pérez
2023-06-06 17:55 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH 1/2] virtio: introduce selective " Eugenio Pérez
2023-06-06 18:04   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-06 19:19     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-06-06 19:25       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 11:53         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-08 13:15           ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:05             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 15:07               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 15:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08 12:11       ` [virtio-comment] " Xuan Zhuo
2023-06-08 13:21         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 14:18         ` [virtio-comment] " Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-08 14:39           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09  3:53           ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-06-06 19:11   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-13  7:50   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-13  8:28     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-06 17:55 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH 2/2] virtio: pci support virtqueue selective enabling Eugenio Pérez
2023-06-06 19:09   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  7:37     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-07  9:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  9:46         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-06 19:09 ` [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH 0/2] Selective queue enabling Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  5:35   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-07  8:22     ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-06-07  8:47       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-07  8:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-07  9:41           ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-07 20:26             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08  0:44               ` Jason Wang
2023-06-08  6:04                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08  6:43                   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-08  7:18                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08  7:47                       ` Jason Wang
2023-06-08 13:44                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-08  8:36                       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-08 14:13                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-08 22:08                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-09 10:27                           ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-09 15:54                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-12  7:56                               ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-13  7:46                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-13  7:53                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-13 10:12                                     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-13 12:28                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-15  8:35                                         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-16 14:40                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-17 12:53                                             ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-17 23:08                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-24 18:40                                                 ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-25  5:31                                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-06-25 21:32                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-26  2:53                                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-06-26  8:19                                                         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-26  9:40                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-27  8:07                                                             ` Jason Wang
2023-06-13 19:00                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 19:54                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-13 21:09                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 21:19                                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-13 21:48                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-06-13 21:54                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-14  4:26                                                 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-06-14  4:32                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-14  6:11                                                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-06-14 11:56                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-06-15  5:56                                                         ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-06-16  9:19                                                           ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-06-08  7:46                   ` Jason Wang
2023-07-06 18:18 ` [virtio-comment] " Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-07-10  3:55   ` Jason Wang
2023-07-10  5:49     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-07-10 12:13       ` Parav Pandit
2023-07-11  3:09         ` Jason Wang
2023-07-11  3:08       ` Jason Wang

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