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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"hengqi@linux.alibaba.com" <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v3 2/2] content: Support enabling virtqueue after DRIVER_OK stage
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 02:24:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231026022349-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB54811806D9195E8611DBF7F3DCDDA@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 06:02:28AM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> 
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 11:10 AM
> 
> > 
> > shorter: i.e. after FEATURES_OK is set and before DRIVER_OK is set.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > If VIRTIO_F_RING_DYNAMIC is negotiated,
> > the driver can choose to enable some virtqueues after DRIVER_OK is set.
> Ok. will take this simpler version.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > > > > +enable every virtqueue it wants to use before setting the
> > > > > > +DRIVER_OK status bit; the driver can choose to enable a
> > > > > > +virtqueue even after the driver has set the DRIVER_OK status bit.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >> The virtqueue enable
> > > > > > +mechanism is
> > > > > > transport specific.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I still feel there is no real explanation in a transport agnostic manner what does
> > it mean to "enable" virtqueue. Do you maybe just mean "configure virtqueue"?
> > 
> There is explanation of "re-enabling" a virtqueue in section " Virtqueue Re-enable".
> 
> There is no good example of "configured" in generic section either, other than cleanup and mmio section.
> 
> > 
> > Can we just avoid talking about "enabling"?
> > Is it true that you can basically change anything you want about the vq not just
> > the enable bit? If so talking about enabling is just confusing I think.
> Not really.
> Enabling sequence of a virtqueue for pci and mmio transport is:
> 
> 1. select a q
> 2. program the addresses
> 3. set the enable bit
> 
> However, as I think more, this one-way interface of driver instructing the device without any error code and without any response is just too limiting interface.
> I will be dropping this series that misuses the config registers beyond its intended init time use.
> 
> Let me work on more mature interface that solves following challenges.
> 1. ability to create a virtqueue dynamically after driver_ok
> 2. ability to create virtqueue with one or multiple physical addresses
> 3. ability for the device to return error if it cannot create dynamic vq creation
> 
> The question is, do we need this generic facility beyond virtio-net?

Wow, sounds rather complex.

-- 
MST


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26  6:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-02  5:15 [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 0/2] Support enabling virtqueue after DRIVER_OK Parav Pandit
2023-10-02  5:16 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 1/2] conformance: Add missing virtqueue reset conformance references Parav Pandit
2023-10-05 16:53   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-10-02  5:16 ` [virtio-comment] [PATCH v3 2/2] content: Support enabling virtqueue after DRIVER_OK stage Parav Pandit
2023-10-05 16:53   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-10-12  6:39   ` [virtio-comment] " Xuan Zhuo
2023-10-17 12:25   ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-17 12:48     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-10-18 10:25       ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-18 10:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-18 11:03           ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-18 11:12             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-18 11:12             ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-19 13:57               ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-23 13:29                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-23 13:57                   ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-23 14:00                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-23 14:27                       ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-23 14:53                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-23 15:01                           ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-23 15:21                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-25  9:55                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-25 10:18                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-25 10:20                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-25 10:24                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-26  3:30                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  5:39                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-26  6:02                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  6:24                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-10-26  6:47                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  8:27                                         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-10-26  8:38                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  9:15                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-26  9:24                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  9:27                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-26  9:45                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-27 10:13                                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-27 10:28                                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-27 11:46                                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-27 11:55                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  9:18                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-26  9:22                                               ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-26  9:26                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02  5:20 ` [virtio-comment] RE: [PATCH v3 0/2] Support enabling virtqueue after DRIVER_OK Parav Pandit
2023-10-10  4:57   ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-16 16:30     ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-17 11:58       ` Cornelia Huck
2023-10-17 12:50         ` Parav Pandit

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