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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Dorinda Bassey" <dbassey@redhat.com>,
	"Albert Esteve" <aesteve@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev, dev@lists.cloudhypervisor.org,
	rust-vmm@lists.opendev.org,
	"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	"Manos Pitsidianakis" <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>,
	"Demi Marie Obenour" <demi@invisiblethingslab.com>,
	"Alyssa Ross" <hi@alyssa.is>,
	"Mark Burton" <MBURTON@qti.qualcomm.com>,
	"Matti Moell" <matti@qti.qualcomm.com>,
	"Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	"Sergio Lopez" <slp@redhat.com>,
	"Vishwanath Seshagiri" <vishs@meta.com>,
	"Rob Bradford" <rbradford@meta.com>,
	"Zhengyu Zhao" <zhaozhengyu@bytedance.com>,
	"Jorge E. Moreira" <jemoreira@google.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Where should the vhost-user specification live?
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2026 16:36:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260609163536-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QVuSvVwa1szAy_3WVtWOjGK=oYAXjqAzbg5YoEvgybRjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 03:44:49PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2026 at 2:51 PM Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 at 19:00, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm not sure if anyone brought up this topic on qemu-devel and with
> > > Michael before. As I mentioned in my reply, there are ways to avoid
> > > blocking vhost-user spec changes when qemu.git is frozen:
> > >
> > > The simplest approach is to keep merging vhost-user.rst changes during
> > > freeze since it does not jeopardize the release or introduce
> > > instability.
> >
> > I'm not enthusiastic about having "this one document is an
> > exception to our freeze and release process". Because it is
> > only documentation, it is in the same "we can be relatively
> > relaxed about allowing in documentation changes" boat as
> > most of the rest of the docs. But docs changes can break the
> > build (e.g. if you mess up a rST syntax thing), so as we
> 
> CI prevents broken rST from being merged (there are multiple jobs with
> `--enable-docs`), so I'm not sure this can happen?
> 
> > get closer to the final release we are going to get more
> > strict about "is this change really necessary or can it
> > wait a few weeks?", and they must at a minimum continue to obey
> > the "no changes of any kind between the last RC and the final
> > release" rule.
> 
> Why is the final release candidate special?
> 
> > And definitely if a patchseries has both
> > QEMU code changes and documentation updates then that is
> > going to not get applied during freeze if the code changes
> > don't follow the freeze rules.
> 
> I agree that code changes cannot be merged.
> 
> As long as the vhost-user maintainer is confident that the spec change
> is implementable and stable, they can merge the spec change on its own
> without code changes. If they are not confident, then the spec change
> isn't ready to be merged yet.
> 
> Stefan

I personally have been confidently wrong enough times. Maybe others know
how to do better.

-- 
MST


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-09 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-27  9:13 Where should the vhost-user specification live? Alex Bennée
2026-05-27 12:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-05-27 13:58   ` Alex Bennée
2026-06-01 12:32 ` Albert Esteve
2026-06-01 12:39   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-01 13:05     ` Albert Esteve
2026-06-01 13:11       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <CAJSP0QV4W=5MJsSGggACv-tqxDtiieKc0YzEn8t-R=RD94KJaQ@mail.gmail.com>
2026-06-01 14:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-01 16:58             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-06-01 14:27           ` Albert Esteve
2026-06-01 14:37             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-01 15:18             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-06-01 20:04               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                 ` <CACzuRyxedVMHNGkRf7AVyPWUTMgBMa6_DBnSHn+V6H7wN7XzWw@mail.gmail.com>
2026-06-04 16:28                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]                     ` <CAJSP0QXR6MyqoE1Uh-X7DzsOabbbN69TUyxf8r6ghUDCQnrP=w@mail.gmail.com>
2026-06-09 18:55                       ` Manos Pitsidianakis
     [not found]                       ` <CAFEAcA_Kd5_k+XyagUbB2+YVEMB0Sb0AB=oUZu6bGDot9TaFrQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <CAJSP0QVuSvVwa1szAy_3WVtWOjGK=oYAXjqAzbg5YoEvgybRjA@mail.gmail.com>
2026-06-09 20:36                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <CAJSP0QWP5OnSaed4xD0FomwVSs1mN7e_U2jaM9KPFEy2bWPrVQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                               ` <aimTUHRIOFwYXvpw@redhat.com>
2026-06-11 20:43                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]                           ` <CAFEAcA9ZkbNK5kRL5+OiqgN2hk3JAmFN8Qd3cytqyTEm9hBkvg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                             ` <aikiB90tij642pEZ@redhat.com>
2026-06-11 20:39                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-06-11 20:45                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-12  7:49                                   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-06-12  9:31                                 ` Sergio Lopez Pascual

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