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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, cohuck@redhat.com
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH V2] virtio-net: introduce admin control virtqueue
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:58:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e752ecaa-e04c-ecdc-3921-470942a71276@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210127035117-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>


On 2021/1/27 下午6:59, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 01:52:02PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> When implementing virtual devices like SR-IOV or sub-function. We're
>> suffering from several issues:
>>
>> - There's no management interface for management device to
>>    configure features, attributes for a virtual device
>> - Per virtual device control virtqueue could be very expensive as the
>>    number of virtual devices could be very large
>> - Virtualize per virtual device's control virtqueue could be very
>>    challenge as we need the support of DMA isolation at queue level
>>
>> So this patch introduces the feature of VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_ADMIN_VQ. This
>> allows the device to implement a single admin control virtqueue to
>> manage the features and attributes for a specific virtual device.
>>
>> The idea is simple, a new virtual device id is introduced on top of
>> the existing virtio_net_ctrl structure. This id is transport or device
>> specific to uniquely identify a management or virtual device.
>>
>> With this, we get a way of using management device (PF) to configure
>> per virtual device features and attributes. And since the admin
>> control virtqueue belongs to management device (PF), the DMA is
>> naturally isolated at device level instead of the queue level for per
>> virtual device control vq.
>>
>> When the admin cvq is offered by management device and normal cvq is
>> offered by virtual device. A new command class is introduced decide
>> whether or not to accept commands from normal cvq for a virtual
>> device.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
>> ---
>> Changes from V1:
>> - use 'virtual device' instead of 'function'
>> - introuce trust command
>> - clairfy that the admin cvq could be used to configure management
>>    device itself
>> ---
>>   content.tex | 59 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>>   1 file changed, 56 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
>> index 620c0e2..989b4f6 100644
>> --- a/content.tex
>> +++ b/content.tex
>> @@ -2940,6 +2940,9 @@ \subsection{Feature bits}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Feature bits
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_MAC_ADDR(23)] Set MAC address through control
>>       channel.
>>   
>> +\item[VIRTIO_NET_F_ADMIN_CTRL_VQ(56)] Admin control channel is
>> +    available.
>> +
>>   \item[VIRTIO_NET_F_HASH_REPORT(57)] Device can report per-packet hash
>>       value and a type of calculated hash.
>>   
>> @@ -3840,11 +3843,12 @@ \subsubsection{Processing of Incoming Packets}\label{sec:Device Types / Network
>>   \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue}
>>   
>>   The driver uses the control virtqueue (if VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_VQ is
>> -negotiated) to send commands to manipulate various features of
>> -the device which would not easily map into the configuration
>> -space.
>> +negotiated but VIRTIO_NET_F_ADMIN_CTRL_VQ is not negotiated) to send
>> +commands to manipulate various features of the device which would not
>> +easily map into the configuration space.
>>   
>>   All commands are of the following form:
>> +is not negotiated:
>>   
>>   \begin{lstlisting}
>>   struct virtio_net_ctrl {
>> @@ -3864,6 +3868,29 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
>>   do except issue a diagnostic if \field{ack} is not
>>   VIRTIO_NET_OK.
>>   
>> +When both VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_VQ and VIRTIO_NET_F_ADMIN_CTRL_VQ are
>> +negotiated, the driver can use the admin control virtqueue of the
>> +management device to manipulate features of individual virtual devices
>> +where the control virtqueue is not easily implemented. The definition
>> +of management device and virtual device is transport or device
>> +specific. E.g in the case of PCI SR-IOV, the management device is
>> +implemented via the physical function (PF), then the virtual device is
>> +the virtual function (VF) in this case.
>> +
>> +All commands are of the following form:
>> +
>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>> +struct virtio_net_admin_ctrl {
>> +        u32 virtual_device_id;
>> +        struct virtio_net_ctrl ctrl;
>> +};
>> +\end{lstlisting}
>> +
>> +The \field{virtual_device_id} is an unique transport or device specific
>> +identifier for a virtual device or management device. E.g for the case
>> +of PCI SR-IOV, it's the PCI function id. Management device MUST
>> +reserve 0 for \field{virtual_device_id} to identify itself.
>> +
>>   \paragraph{Packet Receive Filtering}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Packet Receive Filtering}
>>   \label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Setting Promiscuous Mode}%old label for latexdiff
>>   
>> @@ -4308,6 +4335,32 @@ \subsubsection{Control Virtqueue}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Devi
>>   according to the native endian of the guest rather than
>>   (necessarily when not using the legacy interface) little-endian.
>>   
>> +\paragraph{Setting Trust for Virtual Device}\label{sec:Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Setting Trust for Virtual Device}
>> +
>> +If the VIRTIO_NET_F_ADMIN_CTRL_VQ is negotiated, the management device
>> +can accept operations via the control vq from the trusted virtual
>> +device.
>> +
>> +\begin{lstlisting}
>> +#define VIRTIO_NET_ADMIN_CTRL_TRUST 0
>> + #define VIRTIO_NET_ADMIN_CTRL_TRUST_ENABLE 0
>> +\end{lstlisting}
>> +
>> +\devicenormative{\subparagraph}{Setting Trust for Virtual Device}{Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Setting Trust for Virtual Device}
>> +
>> +If the VIRTIO_NET_F_ADMIN_CTRL_VQ has been negotiated, the device MUST
>> +support VIRTIO_NET_ADMIN_CTRL_TRUST class
>> +command. VIRTIO_NET_ADMIN_CTRL_TRUST_ENABLE turns trust for the
>> +control virtqueue of a specific virtual device on and off. The command
>> +specific data is one byte containing 0(off) or 1(on).  When trust is
>> +off the device MUST fail any operations from the control virtqueue of
>> +the virtual device. The management device MUST NOT trust any virtual
>> +devices after reset.
> Looks like trust here refers to ability to send command such as
> VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_MAC and VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_VLAN.
> However cvq also supports commands such as
> VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_MQ which don't seem to require trust.
> It looks like breaking VIRTIO_NET_CTRL_ANNOUNCE will also break
> migration.


Yes, indeed.


>
> Also, consider VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_MAC_ADDR. Isn't it reasonable to
> assume setting MAC succeeds with this being available.


AFAIK, for current kernel SRIOV, trust is disabled by default for  a 
specific VF


>
> Thus, an idea. How about controlling features instead?
>
> And with that, the interface becomes generic and applicable
> to all devices not just net ...


Yes, so I think we probably need more than this e.g I had plan to 
introduce a general admin virtqueue which could be use to replace the 
transport specific way to configure/probe virtual devices. I think we 
can add this new features controlling command via that virtqueue.

So if this makes sense. I will drop the trust command in this patch and 
let admin cvq go first. Then I can post general admin virtqueue patch.

Does this make sense?

Thanks


>
>> +
>> +\drivernormative{\subparagraph}{Setting Trust for Virtual Device}{Device Types / Network Device / Device Operation / Control Virtqueue / Setting Trust for Virtual Device}
>> +
>> +A driver SHOULD negotiate VIRTIO_NET_F_ADMIN_CTRL_VQ if the device
>> +offers it.
>>   \subsubsection{Legacy Interface: Framing Requirements}\label{sec:Device
>>   Types / Network Device / Legacy Interface: Framing Requirements}
>> -- 
>> 2.25.1


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-28  2:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-25  5:52 [virtio-comment] [PATCH V2] virtio-net: introduce admin control virtqueue Jason Wang
2021-01-25  6:31 ` Haozhong Zhang
2021-01-25  6:45   ` Jason Wang
2021-01-25  7:05     ` Haozhong Zhang
2021-01-25  7:48       ` Jason Wang
2021-01-25 10:22         ` Haozhong Zhang
2021-01-27  3:21           ` Jason Wang
2021-01-25 12:54 ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-01-27  3:30   ` Jason Wang
2021-01-27  8:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-01-27 10:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-01-28  2:58   ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-01-29 10:57     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-01  3:42       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-01 16:10         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-29 22:48 ` [virtio-comment] " Halil Pasic
2021-02-01  4:09   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-01 15:49     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-02  3:28       ` Jason Wang

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