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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@intel.com>
Cc: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, dan.daly@intel.com,
	cunming.liang@intel.com, zhihong.wang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3] content: enhance device requirements for feature bits
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 09:54:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180620095433.7bbeceb0.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180619163059.GA12527@debian>

On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 00:30:59 +0800
Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@intel.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:46:45PM +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
> > On 06/19/2018 11:14 AM, Tiwei Bie wrote:  
> > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 07:28:33PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:  
> [...]
> > > 
> > > If it would be better to drop this patch,
> > > I'm fine with dropping it. Thanks!
> > >   
> > 
> > @Tiwei Bie
> > Thanks for your flexibility! What is your opinion (after considering the
> > arguments from my previous mail), is it better to include this patch in the spec or
> > is it better to drop it? Were you able to identify mistakes in my reasoning
> > (I mean points (1)-(12))?
> >   
> 
> Hi Halil,
> 
> I think maybe you thought too much about this proposal
> (or maybe I really missed something obvious). In my
> opinion, the device requirement proposed by this patch
> is quite simple and straightforward:
> 
> - It's just to make the spec explicitly require that
>   a certain virtio device shouldn't fail re-negotiation
>   of a feature set it has successfully accepted once.
> 
> - It covers the cases of virtio device reset and system
>   reset (which includes normal shutdown and start).
> 
> I think the requirement is reasonable because for a
> certain virtio device, there is no reason that the
> feature bits it offers will change (because it should
> always offer all the features it understands). And we
> are just to add a device normative to make the spec be
> more explicit about that (because if a device really
> changes the features it offers after a device or
> system reset, something will go wrong). If the configs
> of an emulated virtio device are changed, maybe we
> shouldn't treat it as the same device any more, and
> IMO this case is not related to this proposal.
> 
> Although we have 'Each virtio device offers all the
> features it understands', it's not an explicit device
> requirement. So I don't think it's a bad idea to
> have an explicit device requirement about this.

I think this reasoning is sane and we really should not overthink it.
The update as has been voted on looks fine to me.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-20  7:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-11  7:56 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3] content: enhance device requirements for feature bits Tiwei Bie
2018-06-11  8:43 ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2018-06-11 13:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11 13:29   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-11 13:44     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11 13:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 12:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Halil Pasic
2018-06-15 12:19   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 12:42     ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-15 13:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 15:16         ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-15 15:37           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-18 15:08             ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-18 16:28               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-19  9:14                 ` Tiwei Bie
2018-06-19 10:46                   ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-19 16:30                     ` Tiwei Bie
2018-06-20  7:54                       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2018-06-20 12:10                       ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-20  1:06                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 13:39       ` Tiwei Bie
2018-06-15 14:21         ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-15 15:36           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 18:06             ` Halil Pasic

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