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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>
Cc: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"virtio-comment @ lists . oasis-open . org"
	<virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"virtio-dev @ lists . oasis-open . org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Alvaro Karsz <alvaro.karsz@solid-run.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH] virtio-net: support per-queue coalescing moderation
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2023 15:48:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230208154450-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR12MB54810BD4404DAAEE873BF3EEDCD89@PH0PR12MB5481.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 07:23:12PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> You are right. Two commands are there.
> Regardless the ambiguity remains
> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
> From: Parav Pandit
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 8:57 PM
> To: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> Cc: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>; Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>;
> virtio-comment @ lists . oasis-open . org
> <virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>; virtio-dev @ lists . oasis-open . org
> <virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>; Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>; Alvaro
> Karsz <alvaro.karsz@solid-run.com>
> Subject: RE: [virtio-comment] [PATCH] virtio-net: support per-queue coalescing
> moderation
>  
> 
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 10:20 AM
> 
> [..]
> 
> > >
> > > Most performant data path wouldn't implement and read the extra mode.
> > > It is always fw that is going to program same value, or per queue valued or
> > disable value in each Q regardless whichever way we craft the CVQ cmd.
> > >
> > > The sequence that bothers me is below.
> > > 1. driver set global params
> > > 2. few minutes later, now driver set param for Q=1
> > >
> > > On this command, a device need to decide:
> > > Should Q = 2 to N
> > > (a) either work with previous globals, or
> > > (b) because per Q was set for one queue, they rest of the queues implicitly
> > disable it.
> > >
> > > If it is (b),
> > > When a command on Q object =1 is issued, it affects other Q objects. <-
> This I
> > want to avoid.
> > > A cmd that modifies the object, should only modify that object.
> > >
> > > If it is (a), it is mixed mode operation, which is ambiguous definition.
> > >
> > > A better semantic is to define such change at device level and no extra
> cost in
> > the data path.
> >
> > Ugh. Looks like I didn't explain it well, yet again :(.
> > Here is my proposal in pseudo-code:
> >
> >
> > if (cmd == VQ_SET)
> >                vq[cmd.index].param = cmd.param;
> >
> > if (cmd == TX_SET)
> >        for (i = 0; ++i; i < maxvqn / 2)
> >                vq[i * 2].param = cmd.param;
> >
> > if (cmd == RX_SET)
> >        for (i = 0; ++i; i < maxvqn / 2)
> >                vq[i * 2 + 1].param = cmd.param;
> >
> >
> Currently we have cmd = GLOBAL_SET the code is:
> 
>  if (cmd == GLOBAL_SET)
>         for (i = 0; i < maxvqn; i++)
>                 vq[i].param = cmd.param;

exactly.

> >
> > there's nothing to decide at all. No modes. TX_SET and RX_SET affect half
> vqs,
> > VQ_SET affects one vq.
> >
> I explained above that, when cmd=GLOBAL_SET and after that if driver issues cmd
> =VQ_SET, at that point, the device is in partial mode.
> One VQ is running with its own param, and rest are in global mode.


Because there's no "global mode" - it is always per queue and each queue
uses a set of parameters, that is all. No ambiguity. You can quickly set
them all with a special command, or you can set them one by one.

For example consider a driver that loops over all vqs
and does RX_SET(0). Are we in global mode, per queue mode or disabled
mode? The questions is pointless is it not?

-- 
MST


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-08 20:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-07 11:16 [virtio-comment] [PATCH] virtio-net: support per-queue coalescing moderation Heng Qi
2023-02-07 11:25 ` [virtio-comment] " Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-07 11:50   ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-02-07 12:51     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-07 14:29       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 14:40         ` Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-07 14:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 14:56             ` Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-07 15:09               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 15:25                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-07 15:28                   ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 15:30                     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-08  1:58                     ` [virtio-comment] " Xuan Zhuo
2023-02-08  2:20         ` Heng Qi
2023-02-08  9:56           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 13:51             ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-07 14:06 ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-07 14:22   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08  1:45   ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-02-08  2:20     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08  2:24       ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-02-08  2:43         ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 10:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 13:52             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 11:30           ` Heng Qi
2023-02-08 14:17             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 14:37               ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 14:42                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 14:44                   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 14:48                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 15:04                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 15:20                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 15:27                           ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 19:23                             ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 20:48                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-02-08 17:53                         ` Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-08 20:52                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 21:05                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 21:55                               ` [virtio-dev] " Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-08 22:08                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 22:15                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 22:23                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 22:29                                       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 22:33                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-08 22:45                                           ` Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-08 22:53                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 22:35                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-08 22:57                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09  0:06                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-09  3:16                                     ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-08 22:13                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 21:22                             ` Alvaro Karsz
2023-02-09  3:25                             ` Heng Qi
2023-02-09  3:12                           ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-09  3:28                         ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-08 14:44                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08  2:27       ` Xuan Zhuo
2023-02-08  2:35       ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-08  2:47         ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-08  1:57   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-08 10:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 11:23       ` Heng Qi
2023-02-08 13:39         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 10:10     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-08 11:24       ` Heng Qi

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