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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Edmondson <david.edmondson@oracle.com>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, jasowang@redhat.com,
	cohuck@redhat.com, sgarzare@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	nrupal.jani@intel.com, Piotr.Uminski@intel.com,
	hang.yuan@intel.com, virtio@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] [PATCH v10 02/10] admin: introduce device group and related concepts
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 10:13:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230209100903-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2zg9m284x.fsf@oracle.com>

On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 03:00:58PM +0000, David Edmondson wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, 2023-02-09 at 07:13:36 -05, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Each device group has a type. For now, define one initial group:
> >
> > SR-IOV type - PCI SR-IOV virtual functions (VFs) of a given
> > PCI SR-IOV physical function (PF). This group may contain one or more
> > virtio devices.
> 
> The specification says zero or more generally and nothing to refine that
> for SR-IOV groups.

Well it says:

	(SR-IOV) physical function (PF) device as the owner and includes
	all its SR-IOV virtual functions (VFs) as members (see
	\hyperref[intro:PCIe]{[PCIe]}).

how can that be zero?


> >
> > Each device within a group has a unique identifier. This identifier
> > is the group member identifier.
> >
> > Note: one can argue both ways whether the new device group handling
> > functionality (this and following patches) is closer
> > to a new device type or a new transport type.
> >
> > However, I expect that we will add more features in the near future. To
> > facilitate this as much as possible of the text is located in the new
> > admin chapter.
> >
> > I did my best to minimize transport-specific text.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  admin.tex   | 49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  content.tex |  2 ++
> >  2 files changed, 51 insertions(+)
> >  create mode 100644 admin.tex
> >
> > diff --git a/admin.tex b/admin.tex
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 0000000..2bc7322
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/admin.tex
> > @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@
> > +\section{Device groups}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Device groups}
> > +
> > +It is occasionally useful to have a device control a group of
> > +other devices. Terminology used in such cases:
> > +
> > +\begin{description}
> > +\item[Device group]
> > +        or just group, includes zero or more devices.
> > +\item[Owner device]
> > +        or owner, the device controlling the group.
> > +\item[Member device]
> > +        a device within a group. The owner device itself is not
> > +	a member of the group.
> > +\item[Member identifier]
> > +        each member has this identifier, unique within the group
> > +	and used to address it through the owner device.
> > +\item[Group type identifier]
> > +	specifies what kind of member devices there are in a
> > +	group, how is the member identifier is interpreted
> > +	and what kind of control the owner has.
> > +	A given owner can control a single group of a given type,
> > +	thus the type and the owner together identify the group.
> > +	\footnote{Even though some group types only support
> > +			specific transports, group type identifiers
> > +			are global rather than transport-specific -
> > +			we don't expect a flood of new group types.}
> > +\end{description}
> > +
> > +The following group types, and their identifiers, are currently specified):
> > +\begin{description}
> > +\item[SR-IOV group type (0x1)]
> > +This device group has a PCI Single Root I/O Virtualization
> > +(SR-IOV) physical function (PF) device as the owner and includes
> > +all its SR-IOV virtual functions (VFs) as members (see
> > +\hyperref[intro:PCIe]{[PCIe]}).
> > +
> > +The PF device itself is not a member of the group.
> > +
> > +The group type identifier for this group is 0x1.
> > +
> > +A member identifier for this group can have a value 0x1 to 0xFFFF
> > +and equals the SR-IOV VF number of the member device (see
> > +\hyperref[intro:PCIe]{[PCIe]}).
> > +
> > +Both owner and member devices for this group type use the Virtio
> > +PCI transport (see \ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus}).
> > +\end{description}
> > +
> > +
> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > index 0c2d917..ffe45c4 100644
> > --- a/content.tex
> > +++ b/content.tex
> > @@ -491,6 +491,8 @@ \section{Exporting Objects}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Expo
> >  types. It is RECOMMENDED that devices generate version 4
> >  UUIDs as specified by \hyperref[intro:rfc4122]{[RFC4122]}.
> >  
> > +\input{admin.tex}
> > +
> >  \chapter{General Initialization And Device Operation}\label{sec:General Initialization And Device Operation}
> >  
> >  We start with an overview of device initialization, then expand on the
> -- 
> Tell her I'll be waiting, in the usual place.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-09 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-09 12:13 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 14:52   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " David Edmondson
2023-02-13 12:06     ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 12:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:50   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 02/10] admin: introduce device group and related concepts Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 15:00   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-09 15:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-02-09 15:22       ` David Edmondson
2023-02-09 17:47         ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-09 19:58           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-12 12:10             ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-12 13:15               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-12 14:34                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-12 20:19                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-12 22:49                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13  8:12                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13  9:20                         ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-02-13 10:55                           ` [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 10:28                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-14  1:22             ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-11 16:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-11 18:50   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13 12:20   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 12:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 03/10] admin: introduce group administration commands Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-10  8:24   ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu Lingshan
2023-02-11 18:50   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-12  9:49     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13  0:54       ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13  8:16         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 10:35           ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 12:42             ` Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 13:11               ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 13:13                 ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 13:26                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 13:36                     ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 15:07                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 20:29                   ` [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-14  9:01                     ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-14  1:18       ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-14  7:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-14 16:44           ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-14 21:57             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-15  4:46               ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-15  5:13                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 12:37   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " David Edmondson
2023-02-15  5:17   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-15  5:18     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 04/10] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:50   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 05/10] pci: add admin vq registers to virtio over pci Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13 12:21   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-15  0:53     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-15  5:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-15  8:49       ` David Edmondson
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 06/10] mmio: document ADMIN_VQ as reserved Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-15  0:56   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 07/10] ccw: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 12:49   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-15  0:58   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-09 12:14 ` [PATCH v10 08/10] admin: command list discovery Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 17:04   ` Uminski, Piotr
2023-02-11 18:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13  5:41   ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu Lingshan
2023-02-13 12:27   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-09 12:14 ` [PATCH v10 09/10] admin: conformance clauses Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 16:43   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13  6:43   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Zhu Lingshan
2023-02-13 10:51     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 13:42   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-09 12:14 ` [PATCH v10 10/10] ccw: document more reserved features Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 12:54   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 13:04     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-02-11 18:49 ` [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Parav Pandit
2023-02-12  9:42   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-14  0:52     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit

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