Discussion of the implementations of VIRTIO specification
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From: David Edmondson <david.edmondson@oracle.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, jasowang@redhat.com,
	cohuck@redhat.com, sgarzare@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	nrupal.jani@intel.com, Piotr.Uminski@intel.com,
	hang.yuan@intel.com, virtio@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 14:52:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m24jru3my1.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230209121221.15118-2-mst@redhat.com>


On Thursday, 2023-02-09 at 07:13:32 -05, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> Feature negotiation forms the basis of forward compatibility
> guarantees of virtio but has never been properly documented.
> Do it now.
>
> Suggested-by: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> ---
>  content.tex | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 42 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> index 0e474dd..0c2d917 100644
> --- a/content.tex
> +++ b/content.tex
> @@ -114,21 +114,63 @@ \section{Feature Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature B
>  In particular, new fields in the device configuration space are
>  indicated by offering a new feature bit.
>  
> +To keep the feature negotiation mechanism extensible, it is important
> +that devices \em{do not} offer any feature bits that they would not be
> +able to handle if the driver accepted them (even though drivers are not
> +supposed to accept them in the first place even if offered, according to
> +this version of the specification.) Likewise, it is important that
> +drivers \em{do not} accept feature bits they do not know how to handle
> +(even though devices are not supposed to offer them in the first place,
> +according to this version of the specification.) The preferred way for
> +handling reserved and unexpected features is that the driver ignores
> +them.
> +
> +In particular, this is
> +especially important for features limited to specific transports,
> +as enabling these for more transports in future versions of the
> +specification is highly likely to require changing the behaviour
> +from drivers and devices.  Drivers and devices supporting

"changing the behaviour of" or "changed behaviour from" (prefer the
former).

> +multiple transports need to carefully maintain per-transport
> +lists of allowed features.
> +
>  \drivernormative{\subsection}{Feature Bits}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature Bits}
>  The driver MUST NOT accept a feature which the device did not offer,
>  and MUST NOT accept a feature which requires another feature which was
>  not accepted.
>  
> +The driver MUST validate the feature bits offered by the device.
> +The driver MUST ignore and MUST NOT accept any feature bit that is
> +\begin{itemize}
> +\item not described in this specification,
> +\item marked as reserved,
> +\item not supported for the specific transport,

What does "supported" mean here? By the driver? By the specification in
respect of this transport?

> +\item not defined for the device type.
> +\end{itemize}
> +
>  The driver SHOULD go into backwards compatibility mode
>  if the device does not offer a feature it understands, otherwise MUST
>  set the FAILED \field{device status} bit and cease initialization.
>  
> +By contrast, the driver MUST NOT fail solely because a feature
> +it does not understand has been offered by the device.
> +
>  \devicenormative{\subsection}{Feature Bits}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature Bits}
>  The device MUST NOT offer a feature which requires another feature
>  which was not offered.  The device SHOULD accept any valid subset
>  of features the driver accepts, otherwise it MUST fail to set the
>  FEATURES_OK \field{device status} bit when the driver writes it.
>  
> +The device MUST NOT offer feature bits corresponding to features
> +it would not support if accepted by the driver (even if the
> +driver is prohibited from accepting the feature bits by the
> +specification); for the sake of clarity, this refers to feature
> +bits not described in this specification, reserved feature bits
> +and feature bits reserved or not supported for the specific
> +transport or the specific device type, but this does not preclude
> +devices written to a future version of this specification from
> +offering such feature bits should such a specification have a
> +provision for devices to support the corresponding features.
> +
>  If a device has successfully negotiated a set of features
>  at least once (by accepting the FEATURES_OK \field{device
>  status} bit during device initialization), then it SHOULD
-- 
Maybe then I'll fade away and not have to face the facts.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-09 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-09 12:13 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 01/10] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 14:52   ` David Edmondson [this message]
2023-02-13 12:06     ` [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 12:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:50   ` [virtio-dev] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 02/10] admin: introduce device group and related concepts Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 15:00   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-09 15:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 15:22       ` David Edmondson
2023-02-09 17:47         ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-09 19:58           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-12 12:10             ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-12 13:15               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-12 14:34                 ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-12 20:19                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-12 22:49                     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13  8:12                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13  9:20                         ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu, Lingshan
2023-02-13 10:55                           ` [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 10:28                         ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-14  1:22             ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-11 16:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-11 18:50   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13 12:20   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 12:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 03/10] admin: introduce group administration commands Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-10  8:24   ` [virtio-comment] " Zhu Lingshan
2023-02-11 18:50   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-12  9:49     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13  0:54       ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13  8:16         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 10:35           ` [virtio-comment] " Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 12:42             ` Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 13:11               ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 13:13                 ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 13:26                   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 13:36                     ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 15:07                       ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-13 20:29                   ` [virtio] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-14  9:01                     ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-14  1:18       ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-14  7:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-14 16:44           ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-14 21:57             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-15  4:46               ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-15  5:13                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 12:37   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " David Edmondson
2023-02-15  5:17   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-15  5:18     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 04/10] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:50   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 05/10] pci: add admin vq registers to virtio over pci Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13 12:21   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-15  0:53     ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-15  5:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-15  8:49       ` David Edmondson
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 06/10] mmio: document ADMIN_VQ as reserved Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 18:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-15  0:56   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-09 12:13 ` [PATCH v10 07/10] ccw: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 12:49   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-15  0:58   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-02-09 12:14 ` [PATCH v10 08/10] admin: command list discovery Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-09 17:04   ` Uminski, Piotr
2023-02-11 18:52   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13  5:41   ` [virtio-dev] " Zhu Lingshan
2023-02-13 12:27   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-09 12:14 ` [PATCH v10 09/10] admin: conformance clauses Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-11 16:43   ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-13  6:43   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Zhu Lingshan
2023-02-13 10:51     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 13:42   ` [virtio-comment] " David Edmondson
2023-02-09 12:14 ` [PATCH v10 10/10] ccw: document more reserved features Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-13 12:54   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2023-02-13 13:04     ` Cornelia Huck
2023-02-11 18:49 ` [PATCH v10 00/10] Introduce device group and device management Parav Pandit
2023-02-12  9:42   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-14  0:52     ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit

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