Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH 1/1] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) to align with class licence

Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH 1/1] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) to align with class licence

[John W. Linville]

I'm always a bit cautious about merging regdb patches that loosen
the rules.  Would anyone with more expertise on such regulations care
to comment on this one?

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:56:51PM +1100, Michael Harris wrote:
> I am not sure where the existing regdb rules for Australia were derived from
> (perhaps some default template?) but they are a lot more restrictive than the
> actual class licence requirements.
> 
> I have updated to the best of my ability according to the "Radiocommunications
> (Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2000" which can be found here:
> 
> http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
> 
> There is also a useful FAQ for 2.4GHz WLANs here:
> http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/My-connected-home/Wireless-local-area-networks/wireless-lans-in-the-24-ghz-band-faqs
> 
> Signed-off-by: Michael Harris <harmic@gmail.com>
> ---
>  db.txt | 20 +++++++++++++++-----
>  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index f0e4312..94c7010 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -78,12 +78,22 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
>  	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>  	(57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (40), NO-OUTDOOR
>  
> +# Reference: Radiocommunications (Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2000
> +# http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
>  country AU:
> -	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> -	(5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17)
> -	(5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS
> -	(5490 - 5710 @ 80), (24), DFS
> -	(5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
> +	# Item 45A
> +	(2400 - 2483 @ 40), (36)
> +	# Item 44
> +	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR
> +	# Item 44A (assuminging no TPC implemented).
> +	# If TPC implemented then 23dBm allowed.
> +	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> +	# Item 46 (assuming no TPC implemented)
> +	# If TPC implemented then 30dBm allowed
> +	(5470 - 5600 @ 80), (27), DFS
> +	(5650 - 5725 @ 40), (27), DFS
> +	# Item 45B
> +	(5725 - 5850 @ 80), (36)
>  
>  country AW: DFS-ETSI
>  	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> -- 
> 1.8.3.1
> 
> 

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Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH 1/1] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) to align with class licence

[Michael Harris]

Hi John,

My apologies if you get this twice. My first attempt was foiled by GMail
which promised to send it as plain text but then went ahead and included
some HTML content anyway!

On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 13:31 -0400, John W. Linville wrote:
> I'm always a bit cautious about merging regdb patches that loosen
> the rules.  Would anyone with more expertise on such regulations care
> to comment on this one?
> 
> 

Is there any more information I can provide to help you to accept this
patch?

My patch references the class license schedule items which apply to each
frequency range. 

It would probably help if someone else were to cross check my patch
against the class licence.

The links I provided originally are the best source - they are the
actual regulations that apply in Australia, enforced by ACMA, the
government body that plans and regulates spectrum here.

Here are a few less official but possibly more easily readable
resources:

http://www.radio-active.net.au/web3/80211/Regulations/Australian

http://nuke.freenet-antennas.com.au/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=33

http://www.qdg.org.au/qdgwire.htm

> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:56:51PM +1100, Michael Harris wrote:
> > I am not sure where the existing regdb rules for Australia were derived from
> > (perhaps some default template?) but they are a lot more restrictive than the
> > actual class licence requirements.
> > 
> > I have updated to the best of my ability according to the "Radiocommunications
> > (Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2000" which can be found here:
> > 
> > http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
> > 
> > There is also a useful FAQ for 2.4GHz WLANs here:
> > http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/My-connected-home/Wireless-local-area-networks/wireless-lans-in-the-24-ghz-band-faqs
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Michael Harris <harmic@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  db.txt | 20 +++++++++++++++-----
> >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > index f0e4312..94c7010 100644
> > --- a/db.txt
> > +++ b/db.txt
> > @@ -78,12 +78,22 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
> >  	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
> >  	(57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (40), NO-OUTDOOR
> >  
> > +# Reference: Radiocommunications (Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2000
> > +# http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
> >  country AU:
> > -	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> > -	(5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17)
> > -	(5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS
> > -	(5490 - 5710 @ 80), (24), DFS
> > -	(5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
> > +	# Item 45A
> > +	(2400 - 2483 @ 40), (36)
> > +	# Item 44
> > +	(5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR
> > +	# Item 44A (assuminging no TPC implemented).
> > +	# If TPC implemented then 23dBm allowed.
> > +	(5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > +	# Item 46 (assuming no TPC implemented)
> > +	# If TPC implemented then 30dBm allowed
> > +	(5470 - 5600 @ 80), (27), DFS
> > +	(5650 - 5725 @ 40), (27), DFS
> > +	# Item 45B
> > +	(5725 - 5850 @ 80), (36)
> >  
> >  country AW: DFS-ETSI
> >  	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> > -- 
> > 1.8.3.1
> > 
> > 
> 

Regards // Mike
harmic@gmail.com



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[wireless-regdb] [PATCH 1/1] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) to align with class licence

[Michael Harris]

I am not sure where the existing regdb rules for Australia were derived from
(perhaps some default template?) but they are a lot more restrictive than the
actual class licence requirements.

I have updated to the best of my ability according to the "Radiocommunications
(Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2000" which can be
found here:

http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences

There is also a useful FAQ for 2.4GHz WLANs here:
http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/My-connected-home/Wireless-local-area-networks/wireless-lans-in-the-24-ghz-band-faqs

Signed-off-by: Michael Harris <harmic@gmail.com>
---
NB. I am resending this message as my first attempt did not make it onto
wireless-regdb (although it did get to linux-wireless). I didn't
realize one has to
subscribe to wireless-regdb in order to post. Apologies in advance if anyone
gets unwanted multiple copies.

 db.txt | 20 +++++++++++++++-----
 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index f0e4312..94c7010 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -78,12 +78,22 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
        # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
        (57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (40), NO-OUTDOOR

+# Reference: Radiocommunications (Low Interference Potential Devices)
Class Licence 2000
+# http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
 country AU:
-       (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
-       (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17)
-       (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS
-       (5490 - 5710 @ 80), (24), DFS
-       (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
+       # Item 45A
+       (2400 - 2483 @ 40), (36)
+       # Item 44
+       (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR
+       # Item 44A (assuminging no TPC implemented).
+       # If TPC implemented then 23dBm allowed.
+       (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+       # Item 46 (assuming no TPC implemented)
+       # If TPC implemented then 30dBm allowed
+       (5470 - 5600 @ 80), (27), DFS
+       (5650 - 5725 @ 40), (27), DFS
+       # Item 45B
+       (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (36)

 country AW: DFS-ETSI
        (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
--
1.8.3.1

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Re: [wireless-regdb] [PATCH 1/1] wireless-regdb: Update rules for Australia (AU) to align with class licence

[John W. Linville]

Michael,

I tried to apply your patch, but it conflicts with "wireless-regdb:
Add 160 MHz channel bandwidth for VHT" (which I had already applied).

It is unclear to me how to resolve the conflict, and FWIW Qualcomm
seems to be using values very similar to what was already in the
database.  I know that they take a strong interest in ensuring the
accuracy of that data, so I would be extremely uncomfortable digressing
from what is there.

Could you work with Jouni or other interested parties to reach
agreement on exactly what the rules for Australia should be?

Thanks,

John

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 05:45:06PM +1100, Michael Harris wrote:
> I am not sure where the existing regdb rules for Australia were derived from
> (perhaps some default template?) but they are a lot more restrictive than the
> actual class licence requirements.
> 
> I have updated to the best of my ability according to the "Radiocommunications
> (Low Interference Potential Devices) Class Licence 2000" which can be
> found here:
> 
> http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
> 
> There is also a useful FAQ for 2.4GHz WLANs here:
> http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Consumer-info/My-connected-home/Wireless-local-area-networks/wireless-lans-in-the-24-ghz-band-faqs
> 
> Signed-off-by: Michael Harris <harmic@gmail.com>
> ---
> NB. I am resending this message as my first attempt did not make it onto
> wireless-regdb (although it did get to linux-wireless). I didn't
> realize one has to
> subscribe to wireless-regdb in order to post. Apologies in advance if anyone
> gets unwanted multiple copies.
> 
>  db.txt | 20 +++++++++++++++-----
>  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index f0e4312..94c7010 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -78,12 +78,22 @@ country AT: DFS-ETSI
>         # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>         (57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (40), NO-OUTDOOR
> 
> +# Reference: Radiocommunications (Low Interference Potential Devices)
> Class Licence 2000
> +# http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Radiocomms-licensing/Class-licences/class-licences
>  country AU:
> -       (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> -       (5170 - 5250 @ 80), (17)
> -       (5250 - 5330 @ 80), (24), DFS
> -       (5490 - 5710 @ 80), (24), DFS
> -       (5735 - 5835 @ 80), (30)
> +       # Item 45A
> +       (2400 - 2483 @ 40), (36)
> +       # Item 44
> +       (5150 - 5250 @ 80), (23), NO-OUTDOOR
> +       # Item 44A (assuminging no TPC implemented).
> +       # If TPC implemented then 23dBm allowed.
> +       (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (20), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> +       # Item 46 (assuming no TPC implemented)
> +       # If TPC implemented then 30dBm allowed
> +       (5470 - 5600 @ 80), (27), DFS
> +       (5650 - 5725 @ 40), (27), DFS
> +       # Item 45B
> +       (5725 - 5850 @ 80), (36)
> 
>  country AW: DFS-ETSI
>         (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (20)
> --
> 1.8.3.1
> 
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