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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	David Disseldorp <ddiss@suse.de>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Christian Brauner (Amutable)" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2026 14:53:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260703115345.GB3659451@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akeaouJETPWpE838@mit.edu>

On Fri, Jul 03, 2026 at 07:42:35AM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 03, 2026 at 09:30:28AM -0500, Greg KH wrote:
> > > So clarifying there that a "Assisted-by: LLM" is also good enough would make
> > > sense if we agree on that.
> > 
> > If we all agree on that, I'm saying that _I_ don't care, but others
> > might.
> 
> I agree that requiring the model name is not a good idea, because some
> developers might be using unreleased products where the name itself
> might not be public.  So allowing the version number of the LLM to be
> elided would be a good change.
> 
> I'll also note that it's starting to be the case where tool is
> actually quite relevant.  So it's not just about the LLM Model, but
> whether you're using Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, or Shahiko.  You
> can use the tool or the harness with different models.
> 
> So whether the tag is:
> 
> Assisted-By: OpenCode:Gemini 3.5 Pro
> Assisted-By: Claude Code
> Assisted-By: LLM
> 
> I'd be fine with reviewing patches with any of the above.  However, to
> me that's actually not the most interesting part.  See below....
> 
> > For me, the info after "Assisted-by:" doesn't matter, it's the first
> > part.
> 
> For me, what I care most about is *how* the LLM was used.  For
> example, if someone just used the output of Sashiko to fix a problem
> in their commit, that's one kind of "Assisted-by".  If Sahsiko
> identifies a pre-existing bug, and the developer addes a patch to the
> patch series, or creates a new patch series, that's a different kind
> of "Assisted-by".  A third kind of "Assisted-by" might include asking
> the LLM to create a Coccinelle semantic patches (because I'm not smart
> enough to create semantic patches).
> 
> And of course, all of this is quite different from the stereotypical
> "vibe coding" where the LLM generates thousands of lines of code which
> the human doesn't understand before sending the pull request.  :-)
> 
> So for me, adding something after a #-sign comment explaning how the
> LLM was used would be very useful.
> 
> > > My kids should clean up their room; doesn't work.
> > 
> > But, if you notice that your kids didn't clean up their room, and you
> > had told them to, you can then talk to them about doing it properly
> > based on what they are supposed to be doing.
> 
> Another metaphor might be that people shouldn't try to evade paying
> their taxes; merely passing a law saying they have to file correct tax
> returns doesn't guarantee this.  But it was specifically the law
> against tax evasion is how US Law Enforcement arrested the Chicago mob
> boss Al Capone.
> 
> Just because some people might lie doesn't mean that we shouldn't
> bother to ask everyone to fill out tax returns.

I think we're digressing here. The original point, if I understood it
carefully, is that "must" would convey a requirement better than
"should", and I agree with that.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-03 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-02 14:32 [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 14:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 14:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:02   ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 15:07     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:28   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:36     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:44       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:07 ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 15:13   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-02 15:20     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 18:46     ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-03  2:57       ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:50         ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-03 16:12         ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-02 15:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:33   ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 15:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:36   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:57   ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:13     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 16:19       ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 16:32         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03  6:37           ` Greg KH
2026-07-03  7:23             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03  7:30               ` Greg KH
2026-07-03  7:33                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 11:42                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:53                   ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-03 12:04                   ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 16:48         ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:50           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 21:17             ` Boris Burkov
2026-07-02 23:17               ` SJ Park
2026-07-03  7:05               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 13:12                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-03 16:32                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 18:22                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 18:26                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 23:05             ` SJ Park
2026-07-02 16:11 ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-02 16:14   ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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