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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	 Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	 Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	 Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	 David Disseldorp <ddiss@suse.de>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	 Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:14:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <akaODv19EonZ2Wal@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98e8d828-bcbd-4075-9b4c-dc1949647784@app.fastmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 12:11:20PM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2026, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > We've had this requirement in place in the Documentation for several
> > months, but it's becoming clear that the signal to noise ratio from this
> > is quite low.
> >
> > 1/ It's not universally followed. While many people do try to attribute
> > the LLMs in good faith, not everyone does for various reasons.
> >
> > 2/ It basically serves as free advertising for proprietary LLM companies.
> >
> > 3/ It's not clear why we want to collect this info in the first place.
> >
> > Given that the data this provides is flawed at best and is being
> > collected for a purpose that isn't clear, let's just kill the
> > requirement for these tags from the kernel at large.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
> > ---
> > Christian had proposed watering down the LLM attribution, but I think
> > it's not productive to try and track this until we have a clearer sense
> > of what we want to do with this information and how to make it more
> > reliable.
>
> I agree that the current tagging system is flawed and almost useless
> for real analysis -- self-reporting and a nebulous definition of what
> "LLM was used" actually means are red flags for any data scientist.
>
> I don't have a stand on whether the tagging should be removed or fixed.
> But today I ignore it (my 2-cents US) for these reasons.

Oh no doubt they have highly dubious value as _data_.

But they are useful for practical purposes :) i.e. 'ok I can talk about the
LLM-ness here without it being quite so aggressive to do so because it's
admitted'.

And also political value in that 'here is how you are supposed to do it'
vs. <how you did it>.

I think there's definite practical human stuff that they provide sufficient for
there to be value here, and I've found that in practice also :)

(Though of course it's far far from resolving how we deal with the unattributed
stuff, which remains an ongoing issue!)

>
> --
> Chuck Lever

Cheers, Lorenzo

      reply	other threads:[~2026-07-02 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-02 14:32 [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 14:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 14:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:02   ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 15:07     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:28   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:36     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:44       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:07 ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 15:13   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-02 15:20     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 18:46     ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-03  2:57       ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:50         ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-03 16:12         ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-02 15:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:33   ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 15:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:36   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:57   ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:13     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 16:19       ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 16:32         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03  6:37           ` Greg KH
2026-07-03  7:23             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03  7:30               ` Greg KH
2026-07-03  7:33                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 11:42                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:53                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 12:04                   ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 16:48         ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:50           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 21:17             ` Boris Burkov
2026-07-02 23:17               ` SJ Park
2026-07-03  7:05               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 13:12                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-03 16:32                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 18:22                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 18:26                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 23:05             ` SJ Park
2026-07-02 16:11 ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-02 16:14   ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]

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