From: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:14:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <akaODv19EonZ2Wal@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98e8d828-bcbd-4075-9b4c-dc1949647784@app.fastmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 12:11:20PM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2026, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > We've had this requirement in place in the Documentation for several
> > months, but it's becoming clear that the signal to noise ratio from this
> > is quite low.
> >
> > 1/ It's not universally followed. While many people do try to attribute
> > the LLMs in good faith, not everyone does for various reasons.
> >
> > 2/ It basically serves as free advertising for proprietary LLM companies.
> >
> > 3/ It's not clear why we want to collect this info in the first place.
> >
> > Given that the data this provides is flawed at best and is being
> > collected for a purpose that isn't clear, let's just kill the
> > requirement for these tags from the kernel at large.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
> > ---
> > Christian had proposed watering down the LLM attribution, but I think
> > it's not productive to try and track this until we have a clearer sense
> > of what we want to do with this information and how to make it more
> > reliable.
>
> I agree that the current tagging system is flawed and almost useless
> for real analysis -- self-reporting and a nebulous definition of what
> "LLM was used" actually means are red flags for any data scientist.
>
> I don't have a stand on whether the tagging should be removed or fixed.
> But today I ignore it (my 2-cents US) for these reasons.
Oh no doubt they have highly dubious value as _data_.
But they are useful for practical purposes :) i.e. 'ok I can talk about the
LLM-ness here without it being quite so aggressive to do so because it's
admitted'.
And also political value in that 'here is how you are supposed to do it'
vs. <how you did it>.
I think there's definite practical human stuff that they provide sufficient for
there to be value here, and I've found that in practice also :)
(Though of course it's far far from resolving how we deal with the unattributed
stuff, which remains an ongoing issue!)
>
> --
> Chuck Lever
Cheers, Lorenzo
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-02 16:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-02 14:32 [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 14:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 14:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:02 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 15:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:07 ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 15:13 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-02 15:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 18:46 ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-03 2:57 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:50 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-03 16:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2026-07-02 15:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:33 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 15:36 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 15:57 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 16:19 ` Greg KH
2026-07-02 16:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 6:37 ` Greg KH
2026-07-03 7:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 7:30 ` Greg KH
2026-07-03 7:33 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 11:42 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-03 11:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 12:04 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 16:48 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 16:50 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 21:17 ` Boris Burkov
2026-07-02 23:17 ` SJ Park
2026-07-03 7:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 13:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-03 16:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-03 18:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-03 18:26 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 23:05 ` SJ Park
2026-07-02 16:11 ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-02 16:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
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