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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org,
	federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, apw@canonical.com, joe@perches.com,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	David Disseldorp <ddiss@suse.de>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Christian Brauner (Amutable)" <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:16:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261013171628.GB178151@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <as4mYQGQFbjh4jVq@gremlin>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 01:49:36PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 01:19:40PM +0200, Jori Koolstra wrote:
> > > The only long-term solution to that is to hit mark read 1,000 times :)
> >
> > There's a way to nuke drive-by authors and that is to require them to do
> > some kind of "proof-of-effort." So you want to contribute to the kernel?
> > Good, come to one of the OSS conferences, or LPC, or have some well-known
> > maintainer vouch for you, or do the kernel mentorship program. The point
> > is not that this cannot be gamed, but that the "gaming" in itself requires
> > some kind of investment, like proof-of-work.
> 
> Yeah that is a neat idea :) like universities requiring people to be in
> person for exams and shifting grading weight mostly to that.

That's a bad analogy. Try telling those university students that will
have to travel across the globe to sit that exam, and pay for it from
their own pocket.

> Let's not encourage people to ask maintainers for backing though! Maybe
> leave that bit unsaid.
> 
> > We may miss the savant that for whatever reason cannot show up to a conference,
> > but Linux Foundation is already very supportive of funding people. And besides,
> > Linus has already made it clear that we can expect of people to be able to grow
> > into serious community members (which may include being able to effort time and/or
> > money for LLM access.)
> 
> True. I did worry about people from countries/with lack of means where they
> might struggle with this requirement, but LF help I guess addresses that.

I'm willing to discuss that only based on hard data.

> > This would solve most slop immediately, and we will know about LLM found bugs
> > anyway from cooperation with Anthropic and just the maintainers using LLMs.
> 
> In mm we're more and more dealing with bug 'fixes' by taking over the
> patch, which is its own workload but will figure out how to do TODOs for
> that in time.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-13 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-09  8:31 [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Sasha Levin
2026-10-09  9:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-09 10:09   ` Sasha Levin
2026-10-09 10:05 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-09 10:24   ` Greg KH
2026-10-09 15:20   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-10-11  1:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 15:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 11:19     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:38       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:50         ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:01           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:24         ` Ricardo B. Marlière (SUSE)
2026-10-13 12:49       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 17:16         ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-10-13 12:31     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:59       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:04         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-13 13:07           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:12         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:29           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:37             ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:52             ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 14:54               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:58               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 17:12                 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:42                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 19:25                     ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 15:02               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 16:58                 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:32             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13  4:24 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13  5:56   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-10-13  6:18     ` Greg KH
2026-10-13  8:25     ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 12:28       ` [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by reference Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:55         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:03           ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:10             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:20               ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:55                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 15:18           ` Mark Brown
2026-10-13 17:07             ` Laurent Pinchart

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