From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 12:25:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202610131216.C841415F01@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261013174243.GC178151@killaraus.ideasonboard.com>
On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 07:42:43PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> I'm increasingly thinking that the Mesa policy of requiring commit
> messages to be manually written (possibly with machine translation)
> could be applied to the kernel.
>
> I've heard multiple people saying how using LLMs made them more
> productive, with an extreme example during the maintainer summit of
> Linus talking about doing in a couple of months what would have likely
> taken multiple years. The same people like to tell how they're in charge
> of the whole process, how they control the machine, and how they have a
> deep understanding of what they're doing. If that's the case, surely
> writing a commit message will not increase the development time back
> from a few months to a few years, the extra effort would be negligible.
>
> Most commit messages generated by LLMs are quite easy to identify today.
> Requiring a human-written message would be a good way to quickly ignore
> patches submitted by meat proxies. And before anyone tells me this will
> change very soon with <insert employer's new model>, I'll say we will
> update our process when that happens.
I agree on the face of it, but it's just as unenforceable as the
Assisted-by tag was. :( My own recent commit logs are, like the code, a
combination of work from me and the LLM. I trim and edit and reorganize
and add/remove stuff all the time (code or commit log). And all the
while, tweaking its rules for how to write prose, so I do less and less
editing. (And maybe my commit logs are now too verbose? I'm not sure;
I've regularly been told I was too terse before, so hopefully there will
be a balance found.)
And as far as spotting this kind of thing, I've already failed the
Reverse Turing Test[1], where I thought some of Lorenzo's (justifiably)
verbose commit logs were all LLM generated, so the inflection point for
clearly distinguishing is here or fast approaching.
-Kees
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/202609150943.000EC9277@keescook/
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-13 19:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-09 8:31 [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Sasha Levin
2026-10-09 9:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-09 10:09 ` Sasha Levin
2026-10-09 10:05 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-09 10:24 ` Greg KH
2026-10-09 15:20 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-10-11 1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 15:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 11:19 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:50 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:24 ` Ricardo B. Marlière (SUSE)
2026-10-13 12:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 17:16 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:31 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 12:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:04 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-10-13 13:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:12 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 13:37 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:52 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 14:54 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 14:58 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 17:12 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 19:25 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2026-10-13 20:16 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 20:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-13 15:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-13 16:58 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 17:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 4:24 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 5:56 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-10-13 6:18 ` Greg KH
2026-10-13 8:25 ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13 12:28 ` [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by reference Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 12:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:03 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:10 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 13:20 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-10-13 13:55 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 15:18 ` Mark Brown
2026-10-13 17:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-10-13 20:01 ` Shuah Khan
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