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From: "Paul Congdon \(UC Davis\)" <ptcongdon@ucdavis.edu>
To: shemminger@linux-foundation.org, anna.fischer@hp.com
Cc: arnd@arndb.de, davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, adobriyan@gmail.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [evb] RE: [PATCH][RFC] net/bridge: add basic VEPA support
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:06:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000001ca17a3$03f841f0$0be8c5d0$@edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D2E118A1E7268F449C469EA2F301D92902BC39B2@exil.voltaire.com>

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Yaron,


The interface multiplexing can be achieved using macvlan driver or using an SR-IOV capable NIC (the preferred option), macvlan may need to be extended to support VEPA multicast handling, this looks like a rather simple task 

Agreed that the hardware solution is preferred so the macvlan implementation doesn’t really matter.  If we are talking SR-IOV, then it is direct mapped, regardless of whether there is a VEB or VEPA in the hardware below, so you are bypassing the bridge software code also.  

I disagree that adding the multicast handling is simple – while not conceptually hard, it will basically require you to put an address table into the macvlan implementation – if you have that, then why not have just used the one already in the bridge code.  If you hook a VEPA up to a non-hairpin mode external bridge, you get the macvlan capability as well.

It also seems to me like the special macvlan interfaces for KVM don’t apply to XEN or a non-virtualized environment?  Or more has to be written to make that work?  If it is in the bridge code, you get all of this re-use.

 

 


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From: "Paul Congdon \(UC Davis\)" <ptcongdon@ucdavis.edu>
To: <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>, <anna.fischer@hp.com>
Cc: arnd@arndb.de, davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, adobriyan@gmail.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [evb] RE: [PATCH][RFC] net/bridge: add basic VEPA support
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:06:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000001ca17a3$03f841f0$0be8c5d0$@edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D2E118A1E7268F449C469EA2F301D92902BC39B2@exil.voltaire.com>


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Yaron,


The interface multiplexing can be achieved using macvlan driver or using an SR-IOV capable NIC (the preferred option), macvlan may need to be extended to support VEPA multicast handling, this looks like a rather simple task 

Agreed that the hardware solution is preferred so the macvlan implementation doesn’t really matter.  If we are talking SR-IOV, then it is direct mapped, regardless of whether there is a VEB or VEPA in the hardware below, so you are bypassing the bridge software code also.  

I disagree that adding the multicast handling is simple – while not conceptually hard, it will basically require you to put an address table into the macvlan implementation – if you have that, then why not have just used the one already in the bridge code.  If you hook a VEPA up to a non-hairpin mode external bridge, you get the macvlan capability as well.

It also seems to me like the special macvlan interfaces for KVM don’t apply to XEN or a non-virtualized environment?  Or more has to be written to make that work?  If it is in the bridge code, you get all of this re-use.

 

 


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-07 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-07 20:35 [Bridge] [evb] RE: [PATCH][RFC] net/bridge: add basic VEPA support Yaron Haviv
2009-08-07 20:35 ` Yaron Haviv
2009-08-07 20:35 ` Yaron Haviv
2009-08-07 21:00 ` [Bridge] " Fischer, Anna
2009-08-07 21:00   ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-08  9:22   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-08  9:22   ` [Bridge] " Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-08  9:22     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 21:00 ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-07 21:06 ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis) [this message]
2009-08-07 21:06   ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-07 21:36   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-07 21:36   ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-07 21:36     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-09 11:19     ` Or Gerlitz
2009-08-09 11:19     ` [Bridge] " Or Gerlitz
2009-08-09 11:19       ` Or Gerlitz
2009-08-10 15:20       ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-10 15:20       ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-10 15:20         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-10 15:28         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 15:28         ` [Bridge] " Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 15:28           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 16:32           ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 16:32           ` [Bridge] " Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 16:32             ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 16:51             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-10 16:51             ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-10 16:51               ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-10 19:18               ` [Bridge] " Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 19:18                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 19:18               ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-27 12:35         ` [Bridge] " Or Gerlitz
2009-08-27 12:35           ` Or Gerlitz
2009-08-27 12:35         ` Or Gerlitz
2009-08-07 21:06 ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
     [not found] ` <0199E0D51A61344794750DC57738F58E6D6A6CD803__29862.6656564467$1249679159$gmane$org@GVW1118EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net>
2009-08-08  8:50   ` [Bridge] " Benny Amorsen
2009-08-08  8:50     ` Benny Amorsen
2009-08-08  9:44     ` [Bridge] " Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-08  9:44       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-08  9:44     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-08  8:50   ` Benny Amorsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-06-15 17:33 [Bridge] " Fischer, Anna
2009-08-07  4:00 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-07 11:29   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 19:44     ` [Bridge] [evb] " Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-10 15:23       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 15:59         ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 16:16           ` Arnd Bergmann

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