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From: "Hua Zhong" <hzhong@cisco.com>
To: "'Alan Cox'" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "'John Richard Moser'" <nigelenki@comcast.net>,
	"'Espen Fjellv�r Olsen'" <espenfjo@gmail.com>,
	"'Linux Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: My thoughts on the "new development model"
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:37:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <007101c4bc54$065ba2c0$103147ab@amer.cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1098890996.4302.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> On Maw, 2004-10-26 at 17:58, Hua Zhong wrote:
> > The fact is, these days nobody wants to be a stable-release 
> >maintainer anymore. It's boring.
> 
> That depends what kind of an engineer you are. Just as there 
> are people who love standards body work and compliance 
> testing/debugging there are people who care about stable trees.

Absolutely agreed. There are folks around me who can do one thing much
better than the other.

When I said "nobody", I really meant "top kernel developers". I have not
seen anyone step up and say "I'll volunteer to maintain a 2.6 stable
release" hence the comment.

This is actually not a problem caused by the new development model per se.
The same thing might have happened with 2.4. You know what I'm talking
about. Most talented people just like new challenges instead of maintaining
old code.

However, there are some things that make this situation worse by the new
model.
1. No official stable releases and thus no official maintainers. 2.6 is no
longer a stable release. 2.6.x might be. And Linus doesn't seem to plan to
endorse anyone for this job. Previously, Linus could appoint someone and
even if he is not really well-known, people would eventually accept him, but
now it's not the case anymore. More importantly, if there is no official
stable releases, whom do other people send bug fixes to? From both user and
developer perspective, this is very hard to work out.

2. The new version scheme. Now a stable release has to be 2.6.x. So instead
of being a 2.6 maintainer, you might be called a 2.6.x maintainer. One extra
number, less importance and recognicion, and less motivation for volunteers
to show up (especially for relatively new people). Just common psychology.
:)

These are just my observations. As far as I can see only two things will
help:
1. Appoint an official 2.6 maintainer. Be it someone Linus appoints, or
someone like Alan Cox who volunteers. :-)
2. This maintainer will not be stuck at only one 2.6.x version. Instead, he
maintains 2.6.x for a while until it is stable enough, and then move up to
2.6.y (y>x), and start the stabilization again.

Hua


  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-28  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-22 20:03 My thoughts on the "new development model"(A bit late tho) Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 21:52 ` My thoughts on the "new development model" Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 22:12   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 12:55     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24  3:04       ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-22 22:45   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-22 22:50     ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 23:21       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  0:41       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22 22:57   ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-23  0:09     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  2:40       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-25 21:15       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-25 22:08         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 16:12         ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-10-26 16:53           ` Mark Nipper
2004-10-23  1:40     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-23  5:04       ` Greg KH
2004-10-26  1:07         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-23  5:52       ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-23 14:18         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 19:58       ` Kronos
2004-10-23 20:05         ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-22 22:58   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22 23:21     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-22 23:43     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  8:01     ` Boris Bukowski
2004-10-23 13:27       ` My thoughts on the Alban Browaeys
2004-10-23 23:22         ` Boris Bukowski
2004-10-26 16:01   ` My thoughts on the "new development model" John Richard Moser
2004-10-26 16:44     ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-26 16:58       ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-26 18:53         ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-26 19:33           ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-27 15:31             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 15:30         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 18:37           ` Hua Zhong [this message]
2004-10-27 21:39             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 22:51               ` That's it - " Hua Zhong
2004-10-27 16:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-27 19:27           ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-26 18:01     ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-10-26 18:38       ` John Richard Moser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-26  5:40 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 10:44 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-10-26 11:09   ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-26 12:08     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-26 19:03       ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-10-26 15:03     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 21:19     ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-10-27  3:05       ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27  4:29         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-27  5:13           ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-27  5:23             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  6:04               ` Willy Tarreau
2004-10-27  6:28                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  6:50                   ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-27  6:56                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-16 16:43                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-27 13:48               ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 14:57                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-27 15:35                   ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 19:46                     ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27 21:08                       ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27 21:14                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-27 17:55                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 13:38             ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27  5:25         ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-28  6:46           ` michael
2004-10-28  7:13             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28  7:28             ` Hacksaw
2004-10-29 21:30               ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-28  7:57             ` Massimo Cetra
2004-10-28 16:14             ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-28 17:27               ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-28 23:19               ` michael
2004-10-29  0:02                 ` John Richard Moser
2004-10-27  4:26       ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-16 16:18       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-26 12:37   ` Barry K. Nathan
2004-10-26 14:40     ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-26 14:28   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 14:41   ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-26 14:24 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27 15:27 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-26 15:54 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26 16:32 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 17:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  0:00 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-27  0:24 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-27  0:36   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  0:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  2:45   ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27  3:19     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-27  2:47 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27 19:50 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-27 21:40 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28  2:59   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-10-28 10:16     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 13:04 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-28 13:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-28 15:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 15:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 17:33   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 18:39     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-29 13:19   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-29 17:49     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-28 23:33 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-28 23:53 ` William Lee Irwin III

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