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From: "Kevin D. Kissell" <KevinK@mips.com>
To: "Ralf Baechle" <ralf@linux-mips.org>, "S C" <theansweriz42@hotmail.com>
Cc: <linux-mips@linux-mips.org>
Subject: Re: Strange, strange occurence
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:16:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00ba01c46823$3729b200$0deca8c0@Ulysses> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20040710100412.GA23624@linux-mips.org

[snip]
> > The crash is occuring inside the function r4k_flush_icache_range().
> > 
> > I tried 'flush -i' and 'flush -d' on YAMON after the download but before 
> > the 'go', but that didn't help. I also tried completely disabling caches 
> > and loading/running uncached, but it gave the same error.
> > 
> > Now, the final twist! Using an ICE, I set a breakpoint at the 
> > r4k_flush_icache_range function. Then I loaded the kernel as usual, ran it 
> > with the ICE, stepped through a few instructions inside the 
> > r4k_flush_icache_range function and then did a 'cont'. The kernel now 
> > booted fine!
> 
> As already pointed out by the other poster Niels Sterrenburg using a
> debugger unavoidably changes the state of the system to be debugged.
> 
> For at least some of the TX49xx processors there is a problem under certain
> circumstances if a flush of an I-cache line flushes that cache instruction
> itself.  Make sure you're not getting hit by that one.

It's not just the TX49xx series.  While many MIPS-compatible processors 
do handle the special case of flushing the active CACHE instruction itself, 
not all of them do, and the MIPS32 spec calls it out as having an "UNPREDICTABLE"
result.

A truly safe and general I-cache flush routine should itself run uncached,
but a cursory glance at the linux-mips.org sources makes me think
that we do not take that precaution by default - the flush_icache_range
pointer looks to be set to the address of r4k_flush_icache_range()
function, rather than its (uncacheable) alias in kseg1.  Is this something
that's fixed in a linker script, or are we just living dangerously?

            Regards,

            Kevin K.

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From: "Kevin D. Kissell" <KevinK@mips.com>
To: Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>, S C <theansweriz42@hotmail.com>
Cc: linux-mips@linux-mips.org
Subject: Re: Strange, strange occurence
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:16:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00ba01c46823$3729b200$0deca8c0@Ulysses> (raw)
Message-ID: <20040712151631.Q2meLexL6p2sWWmTlvuyv42XzbIX58cGsnsUhrZgce4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20040710100412.GA23624@linux-mips.org

[snip]
> > The crash is occuring inside the function r4k_flush_icache_range().
> > 
> > I tried 'flush -i' and 'flush -d' on YAMON after the download but before 
> > the 'go', but that didn't help. I also tried completely disabling caches 
> > and loading/running uncached, but it gave the same error.
> > 
> > Now, the final twist! Using an ICE, I set a breakpoint at the 
> > r4k_flush_icache_range function. Then I loaded the kernel as usual, ran it 
> > with the ICE, stepped through a few instructions inside the 
> > r4k_flush_icache_range function and then did a 'cont'. The kernel now 
> > booted fine!
> 
> As already pointed out by the other poster Niels Sterrenburg using a
> debugger unavoidably changes the state of the system to be debugged.
> 
> For at least some of the TX49xx processors there is a problem under certain
> circumstances if a flush of an I-cache line flushes that cache instruction
> itself.  Make sure you're not getting hit by that one.

It's not just the TX49xx series.  While many MIPS-compatible processors 
do handle the special case of flushing the active CACHE instruction itself, 
not all of them do, and the MIPS32 spec calls it out as having an "UNPREDICTABLE"
result.

A truly safe and general I-cache flush routine should itself run uncached,
but a cursory glance at the linux-mips.org sources makes me think
that we do not take that precaution by default - the flush_icache_range
pointer looks to be set to the address of r4k_flush_icache_range()
function, rather than its (uncacheable) alias in kseg1.  Is this something
that's fixed in a linker script, or are we just living dangerously?

            Regards,

            Kevin K.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-12 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-09 18:50 Strange, strange occurence S C
2004-07-10  7:33 ` Niels Sterrenburg
2004-07-10 10:04 ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-12 15:16   ` Kevin D. Kissell [this message]
2004-07-12 15:16     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-13  0:33     ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-13  7:49       ` Help with MOP network boot install on DECstation 5000/240 Collin Baillie
2004-07-13  8:03         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-07-14  6:57           ` Collin Baillie
2004-07-14  9:54             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-14 12:44               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-07-14 12:51                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-14 13:30                   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-07-15 11:33                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-14 12:43             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-07-16 14:41               ` Collin Baillie
2004-07-16 15:04                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-07-16 15:13                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-16 15:08                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-16 16:31                   ` Thiemo Seufer
2004-07-16 16:51                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-16 18:56                       ` Thiemo Seufer
2004-07-13 15:31       ` Strange, strange occurence Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-13 15:31         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-14 12:02         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-07-14 16:35       ` Dominic Sweetman
2004-07-14 17:45         ` Michael Uhler
2004-07-14 17:45           ` Michael Uhler
2004-07-15  1:34         ` Atsushi Nemoto
2004-07-15  1:53         ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-16 12:24         ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-16 16:05           ` Atsushi Nemoto
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-12 20:49 S C
2004-07-12 21:23 S C
2004-07-12 21:48 ` Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-12 21:48   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-12 22:25   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-12 22:25     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2004-07-12 23:13     ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-12 23:11   ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-12 23:00 ` Ralf Baechle
2004-07-12 23:10 S C
2004-07-30 21:06 G H
2004-07-31  5:09 ` Ralf Baechle

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