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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>
To: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:41:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01022022544707.18944@gimli> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01022020011905.18944@gimli> <96uijf$uer$1@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <96uijf$uer$1@penguin.transmeta.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In article <01022020011905.18944@gimli>,
> Daniel Phillips  <phillips@innominate.de> wrote:
> >Earlier this month a runaway installation script decided to mail all its
> >problems to root.  After a couple of hours the script aborted, having
> >created 65535 entries in Postfix's maildrop directory.  Removing those
> >files took an awfully long time.  The problem is that Ext2 does each
> >directory access using a simple, linear search though the entire
> >directory file, resulting in n**2 behaviour to create/delete n files. 
> >It's about time we fixed that.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> However, if you're playing with the directory structure, please consider
> getting rid of the "struct buffer_head"-centricity, and using the page
> cache instead.  The page cache has much nicer caching semantics, and
> looking up data in the page cache is much faster because it never needs
> to do the "virtual->physical" translation. 

Oh yes, I was planning on it.  I started with the buffers version
for two main reasons version: 1) it's simple and solid and 2) it
provides the basis for a backport to 2.2 - after the 2.4/2.5 version is
complete of course.

> Talk to Al Viro about this - he's already posted patches to move the
> regular ext2 directory tree into the page cache, and they weren't
> applied to 2.4.x only because there was no great feeling of "we _must_
> do this for correctness".
> 
> I see that you already considered this issue, but I wanted to bring it
> up again simply because something like this certainly looks like a
> potential candidate for 2.5.x, but I will _refuse_ to add code that
> increases our reliance of "struct buffer_head" as a caching entity.  So
> I'd rather see the page cache conversion happen sooner rather than
> later... 

You are preaching to the converted.

> Also, just out of interest: if you've already been worrying about
> hashes, what's the verdict on just using the native dentry hash value
> directly? It has other constraints (_really_ low latency and absolutely
> performance critical to calculate for the common case, which is not
> needing a real lookup at all), but maybe it is good enough? And if not,
> and you have done some statistics on it, I'd love to hear about it ;)

You mean full_name_hash?  I will un-static it and try it.  I should have
some statistics tomorrow.  I have a couple of simple metrics for
measuring the effectiveness of the hash function: the uniformity of
the hash space splitting (which in turn affects the average fullness
of directory leaves) and speed.

Let the hash races begin.

-- 
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-02-20 21:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-20 15:04 [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2 Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-20 21:08   ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 21:20     ` Mike Dresser
2001-02-20 22:36       ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 23:08         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21  1:04           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-02-21 16:38             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 22:58       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-20 21:41   ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2001-02-21  0:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21  0:30       ` Alan Cox
2001-02-21  2:35         ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 23:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:34             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 23:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  0:35             ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21  1:01       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  2:28       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  3:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 16:33           ` Chris Mason
2001-02-22 22:30           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:08   ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:29     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:32       ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:59         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:26           ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:43             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:14         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:32           ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:50               ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:54                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:07                   ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 23:15                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:42                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 23:52                         ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                       ` <3A945081.E6EB78F4@innominate.de>
2001-02-21 23:48                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  1:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  1:42                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  2:03                             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  2:41                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  3:43                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  4:02                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22  5:19                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 11:31                                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-02-22 18:20                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22  4:02                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  7:03                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  4:03                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 10:35                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23  0:59                                       ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-22  3:08                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  8:06                                 ` [rfc] [LONG] " Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  7:20                       ` [rfc] " Bill Wendling
2001-02-22  8:34                       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-21 23:26                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-22 19:04                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-02-22  6:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " tytso
2001-02-22  7:24   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 13:20     ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:16       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 20:11           ` tytso
2001-02-24  0:32             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:40         ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:38 ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102211740550.1933-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-02-21 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-23  1:52 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 21:43 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 22:37   ` Guest section DW
2001-02-24  2:47     ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-24  5:34     ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23  2:49 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23  3:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 12:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-23 18:57   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-23 12:38 Andries.Brouwer

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