From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>
To: Martin Mares <mj@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:54:04 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A94470C.2E54EB58@transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010221220835.A8781@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <XFMail.20010221132959.davidel@xmailserver.org> <20010221223238.A17903@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <971ejs$139$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <20010221233204.A26671@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <3A94435D.59A4D729@transmeta.com> <20010221235008.A27924@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Martin Mares wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> > You're right. However, for each hash table operation to be O(1) the size
> > of the hash table must be >> n.
>
> If we are talking about average case complexity (which is the only possibility
> with fixed hash function and arbitrary input keys), it suffices to have
> hash table size >= c*n for some constant c which gives O(1/c) cost of
> all operations.
>
True. Note too, though, that on a filesystem (which we are, after all,
talking about), if you assume a large linear space you have to create a
file, which means you need to multiply the cost of all random-access
operations with O(log n).
> > I suggested at one point to use B-trees with a hash value as the key.
> > B-trees are extremely efficient when used on a small constant-size key.
>
> Although from asymptotic complexity standpoint hashing is much better
> than B-trees, I'm not sure at all what will give the best performance for
> reasonable directory sizes. Maybe the B-trees are really the better
> alternative as they are updated dynamically and the costs of successive
> operations are similar as opposed to hashing which is occassionally very
> slow due to rehashing unless you try to rehash on-line, but I don't
> know any algorithm for on-line rehashing with both inserts and deletes
> which wouldn't be awfully complex and slow (speaking of multiplicative
> constants, of course -- it's still O(1) per operation, but "the big Oh
> is really big there").
Well, once you multiply with O(log n) for the file indirection (which
B-trees don't need, since they inherently handle blocking and thus can
use block pointers directly) then the asymptotic complexity is the same
as well, and I think the B-trees are the overall winner.
-hpa
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Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-02-20 15:04 [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2 Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-20 21:08 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 21:20 ` Mike Dresser
2001-02-20 22:36 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 1:04 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-02-21 16:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 22:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-20 21:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 0:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-21 2:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 23:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 0:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 1:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 3:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 16:33 ` Chris Mason
2001-02-22 22:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:08 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:29 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:26 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:50 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:54 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2001-02-21 23:07 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 23:52 ` Davide Libenzi
[not found] ` <3A945081.E6EB78F4@innominate.de>
2001-02-21 23:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 1:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 2:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 3:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 4:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 5:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 11:31 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-02-22 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 4:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 7:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 4:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 10:35 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23 0:59 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-22 3:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 8:06 ` [rfc] [LONG] " Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 7:20 ` [rfc] " Bill Wendling
2001-02-22 8:34 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-21 23:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-22 19:04 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-02-22 6:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " tytso
2001-02-22 7:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 13:20 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 20:11 ` tytso
2001-02-24 0:32 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:40 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:38 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102211740550.1933-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-02-21 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-23 1:52 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 21:43 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 22:37 ` Guest section DW
2001-02-24 2:47 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-24 5:34 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 2:49 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 3:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 12:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-23 18:57 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-23 12:38 Andries.Brouwer
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