From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:02:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A948F54.EE00BC07@transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200102220203.f1M237Z20870@webber.adilger.net> <3A947C54.E4750E74@transmeta.com> <3A948ACB.7B55BEAE@innominate.de>
Daniel Phillips wrote:
>
> "H. Peter Anvin" wrote:
> >
> > Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > >
> > > Basically (IMHO) we will not really get any noticable benefit with 1 level
> > > index blocks for a 1k filesystem - my estimates at least are that the break
> > > even point is about 5k files. We _should_ be OK with 780k files in a single
> > > directory for a while.
> > >
> >
> > I've had a news server with 2000000 files in one directory. Such a
> > filesystem is likely to use small blocks, too, because each file is
> > generally small.
> >
> > This is an important connection: filesystems which have lots and lots of
> > small files will have large directories and small block sizes.
>
> I mentioned this earlier but it's worth repeating: the desire to use a
> small block size is purely an artifact of the fact that ext2 has no
> handling for tail block fragmentation. That's a temporary situation -
> once we've dealt with it your 2,000,000 file directory will be happier
> with 4K filesystem blocks. There will be a lot fewer metadata index
> blocks in your directory file, for one thing. Another practical matter
> is that 4K filesystem blocks map directly to 4K PAGE_SIZE and are as a
> result friendlier to the page cache and memory manager.
>
Well, that's something I really don't expect to see anymore -- this
"purely temporary situation" is now already 7 years old at least.
-hpa
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-02-22 4:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-02-20 15:04 [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2 Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-20 21:08 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 21:20 ` Mike Dresser
2001-02-20 22:36 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 1:04 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-02-21 16:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 22:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-20 21:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 0:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-21 2:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 23:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 0:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 1:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 3:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 16:33 ` Chris Mason
2001-02-22 22:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:08 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:29 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:26 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:50 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:07 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 23:52 ` Davide Libenzi
[not found] ` <3A945081.E6EB78F4@innominate.de>
2001-02-21 23:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 1:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 2:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 3:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 4:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 5:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 11:31 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-02-22 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 4:02 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2001-02-22 7:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 4:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 10:35 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23 0:59 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-22 3:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 8:06 ` [rfc] [LONG] " Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 7:20 ` [rfc] " Bill Wendling
2001-02-22 8:34 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-21 23:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-22 19:04 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-02-22 6:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " tytso
2001-02-22 7:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 13:20 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 20:11 ` tytso
2001-02-24 0:32 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:40 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:38 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102211740550.1933-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-02-21 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-23 1:52 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 21:43 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 22:37 ` Guest section DW
2001-02-24 2:47 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-24 5:34 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 2:49 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 3:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 12:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-23 18:57 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-23 12:38 Andries.Brouwer
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