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savannah

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

Ummh, Savannah seems to be down. Does anybody know why? Was it cracked again?

Okuji

Re: savannah

[Vincent Pelletier]

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Yoshinori K. Okuji wrote:
> Ummh, Savannah seems to be down. Does anybody know why? Was it cracked again?

Here I get :
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Savannah is currently offline and undergoing an upgrade.

Savannah services (CVS, anonymous FTP, HTTP) will be unavailable while
this upgrade is in progress. (Mailing lists are not affected by this
upgrade.)

The total downtime should be no more than three hours.

We apologize for any inconvenience.
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By the way, I posted a news about the Grub 1.90 release at linuxfr.org :
http://linuxfr.org/~Subdino/19043.html

It's only a "journal", but I'll submit a real article when 2.0 will be out.

Vincent Pelletier
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Re: savannah

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

On Monday 08 August 2005 23:23, Vincent Pelletier wrote:
> Here I get :
> (begin)
> Savannah is currently offline and undergoing an upgrade.
>
> Savannah services (CVS, anonymous FTP, HTTP) will be unavailable while
> this upgrade is in progress. (Mailing lists are not affected by this
> upgrade.)
>
> The total downtime should be no more than three hours.
>
> We apologize for any inconvenience.
> (end)

OK. Now CVS is working. Good.

> By the way, I posted a news about the Grub 1.90 release at linuxfr.org :
> http://linuxfr.org/~Subdino/19043.html

And they are still talking about LILO vs. GRUB? Completely off-topic. Who on 
the earth understands your post? *sigh*

Okuji

Re: savannah

[Vincent Pelletier]

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Yoshinori K. Okuji wrote:
> And they are still talking about LILO vs. GRUB? Completely off-topic. Who on 
> the earth understands your post? *sigh*

They are asking for a popularity poll between LILO and GRUB.
And they also report some problems they had with grub legacy :
- -software raid (not straightforward with grub)
- -the usual problems with stage 1[.5] not finding stage 2
 (fixed by the grub 2 rescue command line)
- -"lilo -R"-like functionality (what's that ? an automatic fallback when
kernel can't be read ?) to make remote kernel changes safer.

What comes up is also that most users just keep the default bootloader
from their distro. And grub seems to be the default bootloader in a
growing number of distributions.

Vincent Pelletier
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Re: savannah

[Marco Gerards]

Vincent Pelletier <subdino2004@yahoo.fr> writes:

> Yoshinori K. Okuji wrote:
>> And they are still talking about LILO vs. GRUB? Completely off-topic. Who on 
>> the earth understands your post? *sigh*
>
> They are asking for a popularity poll between LILO and GRUB.
> And they also report some problems they had with grub legacy :
> -software raid (not straightforward with grub)

This can be easily implemented in GRUB 2 just like I implemented the
"loopback" support.  I did not know how software raid worked in GRUB
Legacy (I did not know it had software raid support) and I do not know
if this is the right way to implement it...

> -"lilo -R"-like functionality (what's that ? an automatic fallback when
> kernel can't be read ?) to make remote kernel changes safer.

Something like this is possible with later (the latest?) GRUB Legacy
release AFAIK/

> What comes up is also that most users just keep the default bootloader
> from their distro. And grub seems to be the default bootloader in a
> growing number of distributions.

Right.  I think it is our task to make GRUB 2 the default. :)

--
Marco

Re: savannah

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 13:14, Marco Gerards wrote:
> This can be easily implemented in GRUB 2 just like I implemented the
> "loopback" support.  I did not know how software raid worked in GRUB
> Legacy (I did not know it had software raid support) and I do not know
> if this is the right way to implement it...

GRUB Legacy does not have explicit support, but it works with RAID 1 if you 
install GRUB to /dev/md0, because the disks are just mirroring.

> > -"lilo -R"-like functionality (what's that ? an automatic fallback when
> > kernel can't be read ?) to make remote kernel changes safer.
>
> Something like this is possible with later (the latest?) GRUB Legacy
> release AFAIK/

Yes.

> > What comes up is also that most users just keep the default bootloader
> > from their distro. And grub seems to be the default bootloader in a
> > growing number of distributions.
>
> Right.  I think it is our task to make GRUB 2 the default. :)

Yes, if your interest is to get many users. I'm not interested very much.

Okuji

Re: savannah

[Marco Gerards]

"Yoshinori K. Okuji" <okuji@enbug.org> writes:

> On Tuesday 09 August 2005 13:14, Marco Gerards wrote:
>> This can be easily implemented in GRUB 2 just like I implemented the
>> "loopback" support.  I did not know how software raid worked in GRUB
>> Legacy (I did not know it had software raid support) and I do not know
>> if this is the right way to implement it...
>
> GRUB Legacy does not have explicit support, but it works with RAID 1 if you 
> install GRUB to /dev/md0, because the disks are just mirroring.

Someone told me that this is not a correct approach.  The correct one
is being able to fall back to the other mirror disk when the first
disk can not be read.  I don't know if this is important or not, I
don't know much about RAID.

>> > What comes up is also that most users just keep the default bootloader
>> > from their distro. And grub seems to be the default bootloader in a
>> > growing number of distributions.
>>
>> Right.  I think it is our task to make GRUB 2 the default. :)
>
> Yes, if your interest is to get many users. I'm not interested very much.

My interest is to make GRUB Legacy obsolete and get more contributors
and testers.

--
Marco

Re: savannah

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 15:20, Marco Gerards wrote:
> Someone told me that this is not a correct approach.  The correct one
> is being able to fall back to the other mirror disk when the first
> disk can not be read.  I don't know if this is important or not, I
> don't know much about RAID.

It is better to be able to fallback to a working disk, surely. But the 
importance is not high, because, at least on PC, the firmware cannot 
fallback.

> My interest is to make GRUB Legacy obsolete and get more contributors
> and testers.

I agree. If you know how to get more developers, please enlighten me.

Okuji

Re: savannah

[Marco Gerards]

"Yoshinori K. Okuji" <okuji@enbug.org> writes:

>> My interest is to make GRUB Legacy obsolete and get more contributors
>> and testers.
>
> I agree. If you know how to get more developers, please enlighten me.

What I do is talking to people on IRC, to other developers, etc.  But
giving talks helps, so does announcing the release on info-gnu.
Perhaps someone can write a kerneltrap article about GRUB2.  So what
we need is publicity and enthusiastic developers.

--
Marco

Re: savannah

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

On Tuesday 09 August 2005 23:07, Marco Gerards wrote:
> What I do is talking to people on IRC, to other developers, etc.  But
> giving talks helps, so does announcing the release on info-gnu.
> Perhaps someone can write a kerneltrap article about GRUB2.  So what
> we need is publicity and enthusiastic developers.

Please don't say "someone". Why not you? I myself have already done for 
freshmeat.

Okuji

Re: savannah

[Marco Gerards]

"Yoshinori K. Okuji" <okuji@enbug.org> writes:

> On Tuesday 09 August 2005 23:07, Marco Gerards wrote:
>> What I do is talking to people on IRC, to other developers, etc.  But
>> giving talks helps, so does announcing the release on info-gnu.
>> Perhaps someone can write a kerneltrap article about GRUB2.  So what
>> we need is publicity and enthusiastic developers.
>
> Please don't say "someone". Why not you? I myself have already done for 
> freshmeat.

Right, I have done that now :).

Because I had to choose between Linux and GNU/Hurd applications, I
have taken the liberty as poster to post this on GNU/Hurd
applications:

http://kerneltrap.org/node/5544

Thanks,
Marco

Re: savannah

[Yoshinori K. Okuji]

On Thursday 11 August 2005 12:43, Marco Gerards wrote:
> Right, I have done that now :).

Thank you.

> Because I had to choose between Linux and GNU/Hurd applications, I
> have taken the liberty as poster to post this on GNU/Hurd
> applications:

Oh, there is no way to specify "for all operating systems" in kerneltrap? 
There should be "grand unified applications". ;)

But I think your choice was correct. I guess nearly all GRUB developers are 
more or less involved with Hurd, even though nearly all GRUB users are Linux 
users.

Okuji